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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭REDBULL68


    America and Israel, obviously an agreement last week in Washington, provocation to move forward with the plan .



  • Registered Users Posts: 297 ✭✭thereiver


    Israel is losing support from many countries due to its extreme conduct of the war on Hamas

    It continues to bomb buildings and kill civilians in gaza theres no way they can go on like this for another 6 months this is causing divisions in the country they will have to start conscription amount the religious minority that does not usually fight in the idf Thousands of citizens are living in hotels as certain border zones are not safe to live in due enemy bombs and missiles launched by Hezbollah

    They need to make a proper peace agreement with Hamas as the attacks from Hezbollah continue to get more serious and kill more civilians Launching more attacks on Lebanon is a road to ruin and chaos Hezbollah is well trained they have 1000s of missiles they could launch an attack on Israel that could be devastating Hezbollah has a practically unlimited supply of weapons from Iran of Hezbollah launched a large missile attack on Israel the iron dome defence system would be overwhelmed Iran continues to build drones that are more dangerous and sophisticated

    I don't think Israel would survive a war with Hezbollah in 2024 there would be massive civilian casualties on both sides and Iran might also choose to attack Israel

    The UK labour government is likely to vote to cease the sale of weapons to Israel I think the only logical solution is for Israel to make a peace agreement with Hamas on else they will face a descent into chaos anarchy and further attacks from Hezbollah

    If Harris defeats Trump in the election maybe the democrats will put more pressure on israel to come to some kind of peaceful agreement with the Palestinians and Hamas

    I think Biden has shown weakness as he has the choice to limit the sale of weapons to Israel

    Meanwhile Israeli settlers continue to steal more land from Palestinians

    Its hard to be optimistic right now as the cycle of violence continues with both sides firing missiles at each other



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I don't think any of the major players actually want a big war, but there is pressure from below, so they need to bring their own people along with them.

    Ignoring that means they lose political capital, which is what has happened to the PA in the West Bank (who are effectively administrating occupation for Israel, as some would see it).

    Hezbollah doesn't want to follow the same path, so it's all a very fine balancing act.



  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭REDBULL68


    Great post,respect 👍



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,746 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Good riddance. Can't wait to read how Israel are in the wrong for this



  • Registered Users Posts: 45,502 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    Wow. That's a big hit



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Well the equivalent would be if a high up Ukrainian was taken out by a Russian missile while in Germany……I'm sure that if that happened, you also wouldn't be able to understand how it would be wrong of Russia to do it.

    Anyway, that's the end of any potential ceasefire. Which is what Israel wanted. The hostages are merely expendable pawns for Israel.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Oh ffs this has been done over and over and over. All began well before then . You're being deliberately ignorant yet again.

    But you'll say Israel didn't exist and were attacked the day it did completely **** ignoring the attacks by Zionist groups in the years leading up to it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭rogber


    More humiliation for both Iran and Hamas. Expect them to swear holy vengeance while basically doing f*CK all in response



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    What would you like them to do? You seem to be upset that they might not kick off in retaliation.

    Israel is simply a bully with a big brother. As long as the US is backing them all the time, they can behave how they like. The US needs to pull its backing and weapons and let them figure out how to live with their neighbours.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    There was the time when you embarrassed yourself when a number of points regarding deaths and starvation levels were posted and you chose to argue over a **** typo saying 80 of the world's starving people are not there in Gaza even though 80% of the world's highest grade of starving people are considered there.

    Typically you f*cked off when you shown to be wrong for a few days bwfore you cane baxknwith accusatioja antisemitism and delibeeately misquoting people.

    Then there was the time when one of the most foremost experts in the UN and international law, whose very detailed research into UNSCOP was poo pooed by you because you simply didn't have any sort of comprehension of it and couldn't make any sort of reasonable rebuttal.

    And here you go demanding to see posts yet you dont ever so so yourself. Throw accusations at people and never back it up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭rogber


    Sections of the media and plenty of people in this thread seem to want a big war. But you're right, not the actual decision makers



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    So history didn't begin in1948. Yet you love to claim this all did. So Amaube you do acknowledge the massive issues caused by Zionist terrorists in the decades preceding the founding of Israel?israe I expect goalposts to be moved as ever



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭rogber


    I have nothing but contempt for Iran, Hamas, and Israel. All 3 parties are loathsome, it's the decent people (especially the women) stuck in that region I feel sorry for, not these pathetic aged wannabe hard men and their stupid religions, they could all wipe each other out for all i care, male aggression and stupidity at its worst



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    That's an extremely naive understanding. Can't tell whether trolling or not. And it appears to be projecting some of your own private personal issues onto the Middle East



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,657 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Here we go, the first horrific take of the day from the pro-Hamas people on here.

    To create some sort of equivalence between Ismail Haniyeh and Zelensky is completely wrong. Zelensky is the victim of Russian aggression. At no point has Zelensky had his forces rape and murder innocent civilians. In a war against a country with vastly superior resources, Zelensky and Ukraine have shown remarkable restraint in their conduct.

    Ismail Haniyeh is the complete opposite of Zelensky. He launched a war of aggression against Israel, kidnapped innocent civilians, uses civilians as human shields, raped and murdered many others, routinely launches rocket attacks into civilian areas, the list goes on. This guy is a real POS for the suffering that he made a conscious decision to inflict on on both Israel and Gaza.

    I see the Russians, Iranians, and Qatari's are the ones squealing loudest today at the death of Haniyeh. That tells you all you need to about the man.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Did you miss the bit where Israeli soldiers were found to be raping people?

    Did you miss the many many many times that Israel has been the aggressor?

    The head of yours is still buried

    Being critical of Israel does not equal being pro Hamas. That's a deliberately antagonistic take



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,688 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I am surprised the children haven't been mentioned yet its just a back to the future whatabout a century ago.

    Exactly when you see Hamas allies that should be a reality check for folks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Who said Zelensky. That is not in the post you are quoting, so no need to be getting excited and frothing at the mouth that someone might be making a valid point about your beloved Zionists. Could well be a Ukrainian resistance leader from the Donbas. A "Nazi" (according to Russia) leader of the Azov brigade. A negotiator.

    We can go back 30 years to our own island and envision a world where the Brits were laying waste to the North and the political leaders sought refuge in, say, Germany. And then the Brits decided to wipe out Gerry Adams with a missile aimed at his accommodation in Berlin while negotiations to try to stop all the killing and carnage were ongoing

    If you want to have a situation where you cheer on one country killing negotiators in another country, while negotiations are taking place to try to end a conflict, then that is on you and you are merely cheering on warmongers and oppressors. And showing your true colours.

    You can dress it up how you like. The action is merely about prolonging oppression, subjugation, and the dream of their ultimate goal of total ethnic cleansing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    "Resistance leader" lol. He's a terrorist who sends his own people to die while he lives/lived a life of luxury. Might as well mourn bin laden while youre at it. Disgusting



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    You're getting very pissed off at a hypothetical story about a hypothetical leader of the Azov brigade. Again proving the analogies between Russians and Zionists. One and the same.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    I'm not "very pissed off" at all, not sure what indicated that, its just a message board on the internet , but ok, you do you 👍

    I'm happy for the people I know personally (and if you know many or even any Jewish people it's impossible not to know someone who was affected, it was that bad) whose family members were killed and/or tortured by hamas that the person who was ultimately responsible has been killed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭Sir_Name


    I dont think a single person here will be shedding any tears over this guy. The only thing, along with the Beirut attacks is illustrate that Israel is indeed capable of extreme accuracy when it chooses and the that indiscriminate bombings in Gaza is just that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    It's not about the individual person that was killed. It's about his role and position and the fact that you set a precedent that it is ok to assassinate someone in that role, or even because of it. In addition, it was an attack that was done on another country's territory. So you have that aspect too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,657 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Well the equivalent would be if a high up Ukrainian was taken out by a Russian missile while in Germany

    Your words, not mine.

    You are deliberately trying to create an equivalence between the Ukrainian political leadership and Hamas.

    It's wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Zelensky might indeed be the only "high up Ukrainian" you know, but that doesn't mean that he is the only person, or type of person, to whom the description could apply. You are merely highlighting your own ignorance here by bringing it up again.

    You don't have the right to decide who can represent the Palestinians in whatever role any more than Putin has the right to decide who can represent Ukrainians in whatever role.

    Killing the representatives is not even about the individual, it is about subjugation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭brimal


    Excellent work by Israel.


    Yet another embarrassing episode for supposed regional power Iran.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Israel does have a history of carrying out political assassinations on sovereign soil of others. Sometimes using Irish passports as cover



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Its also yet another episode in which why wait so long. Why did they not try this type of surgical destruction of Hamas and it's leadership before bombing Gaza into history?

    It's another case of Israel showing they can do things with precision when it suits them, and should bring even greater scrutiny on their mostly indiscriminate murder of 40,000 people many of whom could have been still alive if they adopted another approach



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