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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Lol, says the person who was making jokes about and minimising the apparent attempted asassination of trump on the very first page of that thread, who is an actual former president of the US and its probably wrong to try to kill him. Stop being a hypocrite.

    Pull the other one. This fella is a terrorist leader, just like bin laden. There is a precendent already set for killing someone "in that role".

    To be clear. I don't think politicians should be assassinated, whoever they are. Terrorists though? Have at it. What's the problem with that exactly?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    So the egregious thing is trying to rise the Israeli's, not what Israel is doing? Right…….

    There's actually no hoop jumping required tbh cause in your very next post you say…

    Which is exactly what I've said, giving OP a free pass on what they want to do. A Holocaust has been committed against you, here's your pass for one free genocide. The world will not only turn a blind eye, we'll ply you with weapons to "finish the job".

    You're right, history didn't start in 196(7) nor 1948. Nor with the white paper of 1939, nor the Balfour Declaration of 1917. Perhaps you could say the persecution of the Palestinians has its origins with the drawing of the Sykes-Picot agreement in 1916. Before that there was little animosity between Palestinian Arabs and Jews under Ottoman rule. So tell me why are the Palestinians paying the price for generations of western antisemitism?

    Oh and its pretty dangerous to confuse Judaism with Zionism, which is why many Jews around the world are distancing themselves from OP. Cause you know to conflate the two is exactly the type of thing which enforces antisemitism. Not great…. if you did it consciously.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    I know a lot of jews, do you? They are all zionists because they believe that Israel should exist. Literally that's what a "zionist" is. What's wrong with that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    That's fine. You can equally support Russia's right to assassinate any Ukrainian (or other nationality) seeking refuge within the EU once they claim that the target was a "terrorist leader". You may take my earlier example of a commander of a "Nazi" Azov brigade as an example.

    You see, your issue really is that you have "picked a team". And all objectivity (and principles and morals) has gone out the window. It matters not what Israel does, as long as they do it to the "other team". Destroying any sort of infrastructure or capital, whether physical or human, is fine with you. Because it achieves its purpose and subjugates the "other team". Members of the IDF being exposed for gang-raping a Palestinian man probably doesn't even register for you. You can other the victim as a "terrorist" and award medals to the perpetrators. And then dismiss any hatred the man or his family has for said IDF as being rooted in antisemitism. Rinse and repeat.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,480 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    There's a very big difference between a lone nutjob attempting to kill someone and a sovereign state thats a member of the UN and a state sponsored assassination of a political figure on the sovereign soil og a third party.

    And Israel has a stories history of assaination people on the sovereign soil of other countries. Like a micro russia



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    It's an absolutely bizarre comparison to make. It's apparently ok for the Israeli state to assassinate a Palestinian official on Iranian territory via a missile because someone yank tried to have a potshot at the bigliest ex President in history.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,794 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Well it proves once again sean w's claim that Iran is an existential threat to Iran as nonsense.

    This incident is another reminder that Iran is no match for Israel militarily and in terms of intelligence. Iran are incapable of a like for like response.

    Bibi assured Qatar in the early stages of the war that Hamas leaders would not be touched in Qatar. Haniyeh got cocky he should have realised after the targeting of Dief that negotiations for a ceasefire would not guarantee his safety. Also that Mossad have the Iranian leadership compromised at a high level- we have seen this over the years. While Iranian intelligence is not able to do the same thing in kind.

    This attack like other previous attacks simply would not have been able to occur otherwise . The remaining Hamas leadership will be staying put in Qatar now

    While on the surface this could complicate efforts to reach a ceasefire, it may long term increase the pressure on Hamas. They have now lost their political leader and their military leader may well already be dead too. No one in their right mind will mourn Ismail's passing. In the same way no one should mourn any war criminal being taken out. The world is a better place without them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    No, the idf soldiers who rape people are scum. That's awful. Rape as a weapon of war is wrong. Hamas are also scum who used rape as a weapon of war. I know it's a vicious cycle, I don't know what the solution is. The fact is though that haniyeh is a terrorist by all definitions of the word. The whole world recognises him as such. It is anti semitism when he says he wants to wipe the jews off the earth. He isn't a freedom fighter. And I'm glad that the people I know personally might have some closure now, after their relatives were murdered, tortured and raped by hamas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    You need to realise that that is your reality and your definition.

    The Zionists have all the control. They are merely mowing the lawn s they like to call it. They oppress and subjugate the Palestinians. Anyone who stands up to them will, by their definition, be just an antisemite attacking them, and therefore a terrorist. So create an environment where nothing can be solved and the Palestinians remain living in sh1t.

    The Brits could have equally done the same up the North whenever a nascent political infrastructure began to emerge from the Nationalist community. Just go in, cut the head off, and wait for another to emerge. If there was any blowback from Republicans, it would obviously prove their point that they were dealing with terrorists and justified.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,843 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Im confused. People were asking why Israel didn't target Hamas leaders who are outside of Gaza and actually running Hamas. If Israel wanted to end Hamas, that's the way.

    Now we have Israel taking out a Hamas leader in Iran and the same people are now complaining?

    And the comparisons to Russia taking out a Ukranian in Russia etc... is ridiculous, would a more suitable comparison not be the US taking out Bin Laden in Pakistan?

    What am I missing?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I reckon that if you think anyone was calling for extra-territorial assassinations by Israel, that would only have been from Zionists.

    What country did Bin Laden serve as Prime Minister for? What political bureau did he head up, and when did he act as an official negotiator? Could you provide a map showing the people and region he represented? Thanks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Would the general population of Palestine not be happy with the fact that this guy was killed. I would assume they are not big fans of Hamas for what happened in October.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Yeah the terrorist haniyeh was doing all that from Dubai and then Iran? Sure haven't we been told over and over in this thread by yourself and others that the gazans didn't vote for hamas and they don't represent them, but now he's the "prime minister" and "offical negotiator"? Make it make sense



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    You are back to not being able to read and comprehend posts. Either that or deliberately trying to create strawmen to troll. Take a few minutes to read what you are replying to in future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,020 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Generally avoiding this cesspit, but this is a good point

    People shouldn't let their valid criticism of Israel's actions spill over into support for a terrorist leader like Haniyeh. A man worth 4 billion who spent the last 7 years cowering in Qatar while Palestinians suffered.



  • Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭thatsdaft


    And the Olympic medal for mental gymnastics goes to … erm Donal Trump of course

    Daft, just daft stuff



  • Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭thatsdaft


    Terrorist, he was a terrorist

    By calling him a “Palestinian official” you are actually doing disservice to the Palestinian struggle



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Look, it's completely fine if you can't understand principles and consequences beyond "bad man dead - that good".

    Did you support the Israeli use of cloned Irish passports to commit extra-territorial assassinations in the past?



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Well he was definitely a Hamas official, and was indeed a Palestinian. Although you might indeed be one of those who claim there is no such thing as a "Palestinian"

    Ya know, the lads currently negotiating for ceasefires and return of hostages. The hostages that the zionists pretend to give a sh1te about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    What do you mean, why wait so long? Remember he was in hiding Dubai or somewhere else in the uae? Obviously they aren't going to go after him there. Why do people on here have such short memories? He left and they got him. Again...what's the issue here.

    Remember the last time israel did the same sort of surgical attack and were still given **** for it? I do. Same old story.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭thatsdaft


    The consequence is that today the world is a slightly better place and this terrorist gets to meet 72 virgin goats in hell



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,781 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Regards Haniyeh: good riddance.

    As to what you're missing, it's that that's what people were wanted Israel to do before and instead of killing and raping countless civilians. And it's why they should be condemned as an evil country (currently, they clearly still do have plenty of decent people). They could have done this all along, they clearly have enough intelligence to get whoever they want, and instead they murdered and demolished their way through Gaza.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,480 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    It's not the same old story. You saying it's the same old story is just one of infinite number of times that defenders of Israel's war crimes have attempted to move goalposts or frame everything as people are hyper critical of Israel for no reason and it's not fair. At least you've stopped short of other posters and not tried to claim antisemitism so maybe you deserve some credit

    Well he was in qatar. He was openly in qatar. He openly appeared at numerous conferences and negotiations.

    Now you're trying to play both sides. They were criticized for the surgical attack previously because they bombed a sovereign states consulate on another sovereign states land in

    Why is it okay for Israel to bomb other countries. Butcher civilians. Make refugees of millions. Starve millions. Rape , torture and humiliate prisoner as a matter of policy. Imprison 10s of thousands of Palestinians without chatge

    Destroy 10s of thousands of homes.

    Annex land from syria and defacto colonial 20 thousand of its citizens and then act like you give a **** when some of the die after ignoring them for 40 years.

    Annex land in Palestine constantly and remove people whose families have been there for long before the state of Israel existed into refugee camps

    Why is one of the wealthiest nations in the world allowed to continually stomp down on some of the most at risk people in the world. Why is it okay.

    Why is any valid criticism of that state of Israel and its government met with such completely dumb and inane comments like yours that basically say they can't win no matter what they do.

    How about they stop being such a **** backwards, murdering, colonising, ethnostate and show a little bit of hunanity to peoole. How about they stop funding the terrorists they are trying to fight. How about they do t bomb children playing football on a beach. How about they let Gazan fisherman fish in their own waters and waters that don't belong to Israel and Israel has 0 right to police without being shot at. How about they allow Gazans access to their own natural resources?

    Israel should and deserve to be treated with the exact same contempt that people here show for Russia, Iran and many other rogue states that act with utter contempt for fellow human beings



  • Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭thatsdaft


    Delete post, thread is a whataboutery dead end

    Post edited by thatsdaft at


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    It was well publicised that he was in Qatar. But Qatar has money and a strong relationship with the US. So they weren't going to go after him there. So called principles don't really matter to some when the dollar is involved. Escalating the situation by attacking on a different sovereign nation is ok though as that will help keep the dollars rolling in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭thatsdaft


    Delete post, thread is a whataboutery dead end

    Post edited by thatsdaft at


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,796 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Highlighting analogies between what Russia does and what Israel does could only be understood to be support of Russia by someone who is a blindly loyal zionist supporter. If your definition of "perfectly fine" is "well Israel did it so it must be fine by definition" then I could possibly see how you could arrive at that conclusion. A normal person could not arrive there though

    So I can't tell whether you are trolling, or just unable to read and comprehend posts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Other than the forced expulsion and ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population of Palestine, not much I suppose. I mean it is in Herzl's diaries as a prerequisite for a Jewish state.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,781 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Don't ask me they are the ones that know. It's the very same with Hezbollah, they can hit any commanders at will.



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