Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

why is just the morning time that I don't have pages of people I have on ignore on this thread ?

There is a tendency among trump supporters to criticise the 'anyone but Trump' approach to the US presidency. As though everyone thinks the same as them and bases their opinion on spite, or some sort of irrational knee-jerk reaction. Why would people in Ireland or elsewhere bother to do that? It doesn't matter too much to us how the US governs itself internally. However when you get a total incompetent who has sway over the US's foreign affairs then it does matter. Its not a Rep or Dem matter, for me, a competent, just and reasonable R president is fine, a stupid D not so much.

Since day one of his notion that he fancied himself as president, it was obvious to anyone, including people who had no idea who he was, that he was self serving, vain and more than a little stupid. Over the past decade he has proved this and built on it. Now, due to the 'guns, god and self' teaching and the endless patriotic self aggrandisement that has gone on for decades, and that he has tapped into, he has turned into a cult-leading monster. 'Anyone but Trump' is an inevitable conclusion for anyone with concerns outside their own personal little sphere. The world can survive a moderately competent, basically well intentioned president for 4 years, it would not do so well under Trump.

Yeah, the knock-on effects of another Trump presidency would potentially be large for Ireland due to his policy of essentially fining American companies who off-shore their labour. In the case where Google, Facebook, Amazon, Apple and pharmaceutical manufacturers were forced to move their operations back stateside, it would leave a massive hole in Ireland's budget, such is the tax take.

It’s not just the corporate tax take that would be lost. There’s also income tax, USC, employer and employee PRSI. Not to mention the overall reduction in economic activity, increased unemployment payments, etc. etc. The overall impact would be devastating.

But not to worry. The straightened circumstances would no longer matter in a few years time when Trump’s reversal of climate change action causes the whole planet to become a desert.

Who would be a good counter to Harris though?

Before outing herself as a dog killer, I would have said Noem. No chance now.

Before Harris, I thought Burnum would have been the choice (not now though)

I think if he is to be replaced, it either has to be a woman, or a non-white male.

Byron Donalds - high possiblity he's the best here. Would have to get him to not be "from" Florida. Not sure how that could work. He was born in New york, so maybe?

Tulsi Gabbard - already beat Harris in a debate. Not sure if her being an ex-dem is a positive or negative to MAGA heads. Would she run as Trumps VP?

Vivek Ramaswamy - has played well since his campaign, but there's a sense of, "same old same old" as he wouldn't be much different than Vance. Pretty unlikeable to a lot of people (although that could just be my bias against tech bros).

Ben Carson - too old for this race, I think they need someone under 60.

Outsiders:

Katie Britt - for comedy value, I hope so. Her state of the union hopefully killed off any nascent national political career.

Nancy Mace - one for the future, only 46. Not crazily right wing. South Carolina Representative

Can you explain why Ukraine are the bad guys and Russia who illegally invaded a sovereign country and bombed a children’s hospital last week are the good guys?

Don't forget kid rick and ye too

only a moron would see Russia as the bad guy

For calling me a moron this poster, whose name I'm not even going to bother quoting here, is going on my ignore list.

I agree. I think he has broader appeal. As you say, he is a real American hero. He still brings a hefty 11 electoral points with him which is not to be sneezed at.

Plus, if she goes with Kelly and Shapiro puts his support behind him, assuming PA votes democrat, you get their 19 votes anyway.

I also think Kelly would have a broader general appeal and that the boy would be more afraid of a debate with him than Shapiro.

Harris's polling has already ticked up in Pennsylvania and it may not even be the case that she needs Shapiro to win it. She also needs Wisconsin and Michigan. As said earlier, the Arab American voting bloc of Michigan may become disillusioned with the Democrats if the outspokenly pro-Israel Shapiro is given the nod and it doesn't exactly help the general youth vote either.