Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

AFAIK, the vast majority of failed AS remain here, as they are given leave-to-remain.

You don't believe people who have been granted leave to remain sometimes travel back to their home country from which they were supposedly fleeing?

Not sure if you're trolling or genuine. What evidence do you want? Photographs? Live airport interviews?

Will ye ever wake up. We're the welfare state of the globe and it's actually beyond a joke at this stage. Sure our children's allowance props up the economy of other countries ffs.

If you're a taxpayer, you're paying for it, you could at least acknowledge it.

The country is in a bad place. The foxes are well and truly in the chicken coop.

IMO we have been far too welcoming to asylum seekers and those masquerading as such, whether they're from Ukraine or Nigeria or elsewhere, it doesn't matter.

We're a dangleberry on the earth in terms of physical size and population yet we're providing safety to the globe. Even if every single person was genuine, which they're not, it's NOT sustainable, nor is it fair to burden Irish people without so much as a say so.

Staff shortages in health, education, policing and other public sector areas. Yet the population of the country has increased by nearly 20% from 2000 to the present. In 2000 the population was 3.8 million, today approximately 5.1 million.

And these are chronic staff shortages . . . In some areas of the public sector staff shortages are worse than where they were in 2007 (just before the economic crash).

This begs a number of questions:

1 - Are we as a country undergoing a rapid transformation in population whilst simultaneously believing that we don't have to increase numbers working in the public service (in schools, hospitals, etc)?

2 - Isn't one of the great attractions of immigration (according to the left) that we import skills from around the world? This is true in the health service (and always was pre-2000) but where is this happening elsewhere?

3 - Doesn't this suggest that the real reason for tensions over immigration is simply because successive governments (mainly FF/FG) refuse to invest in its people and that consequently failure to do so will only make matters much worse? This is completely evident in the housing crisis.

Disgusting and doesn't even scratch the surface. Similar to the amount of drugs coming into this country, it's primarily coming in through our ports, which aren't policed any wear near enough. The appetite isn't there and the government can go on about the cost of checking every container just like the cost involved in doing follow up checks on every AS accepted here to see if they've miraculously gained an affinity for where they supposedly fled from.

The long term cost of failing to do either is far greater.

In a country who's government is failing its people in key areas and then telling them "put up and shut up" the two scenarios below make very little difference:

Fake AS comes here, claims asylum and gets help from the state from our taxes.

Real AS comes here, claims asylum and gets help from the state from our taxes.

We have Paddy working in the IP offices or for NGOs who laps up every sob story going. A justice minister handing out passports and citizenships like she's f#$king Oprah.

You speak up and you're far-right. You object to your towns population being dwarfed by a load of men from God knows where, you're far-right.

And the circus continues. I've said it before, help AS where practical. We're long past practical.

Everyone is laughing at us in the exploitation of our welfare systems and those who say otherwise are either in denial or are incredibly thick, or both.

The Government continues to ignore the children with scoliosis and the vast numbers of people on hospital waiting lists. Our hospitals are being run into the ground.
A 20% population increase but most do not contribute to the tax take. Basic services continue to decline. Increased debt, drop in GDP, record homelessness and child homelessness, sky rocketing rents and an economy dangerously reliant on a few companies. Providing free school books but class sizes increasing. Families working round the clock but still can’t afford a home. Our educated young people leaving the Country to try to put money together to be able to come back and buy a house. We can continue to accept an infinite number of Refugees/ Asylum seekers but we will not be able to continue with our generous welfare system indefinitely.

One billion was spent on accommodating AS in Ireland last year, less than a tenth of that was spent on youth services in the same year, let that sink in.

It's shocking! If a tenth of that budget was spent on community policing and youth diversion projects it would have a massive benefit to Irish society instead of having to facilitate all and sundry coming here to "claim asylum"…

He didn't suddenly lose anything, it's well over 20 years since he received Danish citizenship.

You lot seem to think this is some big gotcha but really there's nothing whatsoever wrong with people going home to visit their family, where they feel it's now safe to do so.

Never blamed the left. I can blame the left for supporting massive inward migration whilst simultaneously knowing that the resources are not there to deal with that immigration.

Far and away most of the migration here over the past decade has been from people coming here through visa or work permit schemes. While some accuse FFG of being left-leaning socially they're certainly 'right' in terms of these economic policies.

As for IPA migration, how are you linking the left with all the conflict and poverty in the Global South that drives people here? I think that needs explaining.

I think you read something and form an entirely different view of what it is that posters stated. Read posts and don't make assumptions on what people think.

Again you cut off the quote mid-sentence. Do you want to quote entirely what I stated or am I to ignore you?

You previously stated that anyone in the world should be able to show up to any port in the world, state they want asylum in Ireland, and then be allowed by private airlines to travel here without documents. As I told you before, this is one of the most outrageous suggestions I've ever heard on boards so your posts and endless requests for links are meaningless.

For other posters, it should be noted that the people orchestrating the arrivals of undocumented migrants are very often naturalised refugees themselves. There have been Gardai operations already following this line. If you google it you will find out (also note 'Operation Mombasa' which involved capturing Georgian asylum seekers who were running a fake ID operation).

I think a lot of the center and center-right parties have just seen sense and given up on the anti-immigration rhetoric.

Previously it might have been seen as a vote-getter but I reckon there's a realization that it just opens the door to the more far-right groups, and their never ending need to push failed policies and be outraged.

Around Europe a lot of the center and center-right parties seem to be much more upfront about the realities of dealing with migration, and this is reflected in Ireland.