New E scooter laws

I believe so, seated scooters are banned… I still see plenty of them though..

Newsworthy because it's unusual

Maybe car occupants should have mandatory helmets.

There's already laws in place for these scooters so these threads are largely redundant.

eBikes are a massive mobility boon, and massive addition to transport infrastructure. So called "last mile" and multi modal journeys. eScooters are a mixed bag because of the limitations of the format.

All that need to do is some strict enforcement of the rules. But that's a policing issue not a issue with the vehicles themselves.

The design of the vehicles themselves should have been severely restricted. The EU should have had strict regulations and absolutely prohibited the import, sale or use of anything not meeting those regulations. Vehicles should have been required to have a RFID chip which would allow identification of their specification and ownership. This was a new technology and it should have been introduced in the right way from the beginning. Such restrictions would have little effect on the value of the technology for law abiding people, but would make enforcement feasible. If you had had a regular framework from the beginning then norms would have been established and only modest effort would have been needed for enforcement, but of course nothing was done.

Where did I ever deny it? But motor vehicles driving, again not parking, on the footpaths are a rare occurance which is what you were denying in the first place.

We see e-scooters and bicycles in the hundreds on our footpaths. A car does occasionly need to mount a foot path to leave oncoming traffic pass and as I already told you it is done, by the majority, in a careful and courteous manner. The way you are describing it every driver in the country is tearing up the footpaths at 100kph.…sorry, but no, that is not what is happening except for the few bad eggs.

What is happening is hundreds if bikes and e-scooters are on the footpaths up and down the country, no safety equipment worn, very few of the e-scooters being ridden by those old enough to legally ride them.

I drove from Carlow to Shannon this morning via Athy and Stradbally. Leaving Carlow I encountered 3 cyclists traversing a roundabout in the wrong direction on the footpaths and pedistrian crossings, instead of in the flow of traffic . In Athy I encountered several bicycles and e-scooters on the foot paths and when I got to Shannon and leaving where I was calling to, I nearly got taken out of it by a lad about 10 years of age on an e-scooter going hell for leather up the footpath. No where along the route did I see cars driving up the footpath at speed like you are claiming every driver in the country is doing. What I did see was cars, including myself, carefully pulling in to leave farm equipment pass as I going into Castledermot in Kildare, and yes we had to mount the footpath to leave it pass, but none started tearing up the footpath, came off of it as soon as the equipment had passed.

I spend a lot if time behind the wheel travelling to various parts if the country and only once in the last week did i met an e-scooter in compliance with the new laws and the only reason it stuck out was because it is such a rare occurance.

Was ovettaken again yesterday by what should really be described as an electric motorbike. Doing in excess of 60kph, no helmet, no lights, no registration.

Big hoopla about the new laws, but zero enforcement.

I didn't claim anything, but it's not rare if you can link to an example in the last few days and multiple previous examples. The links need no explanations.

Tbh they mostly didn't enforce the old rules either. I think in 3 yrs they averaged about 3 fines for cyclists per day nationally. Quite the record.

eScooters and ebikes laws were even simpler back then and not enforced..

5 examples out of thousands of motor vehicles, one of which actually included a cyclist breaking the law which you keep forgetting to mention, on Irish roads. Yes it is very rare compared to the hundreds if bicycles and e-scooters doing the exact thing you are claiming motorists are doing. Real life speaks for itself.

It's legal to cross a footpath to access a driveway. I did it an hour ago. Of course you are obliged to take care and make sure you don't hit anyone walking on it

Nothing needs to be banned, just need to have the laws enforced, and that goes for all modes of road transport.

But concerning e-scooters themselves, the way things are currently going it will only be a matter of time before they will be forced to have tax, insurance and registration like every other form of motorised road transport.

"… motor vehicles are involved in about 99% of fatal collisions with pedestrians on pavements or verges – 305 between 2012 and 2020 (averaging around 34 a year).

Over this entire period, cycles were involved in two pedestrian deaths on the pavement/verge, both in 2014 (6% of the total number of pedestrian fatalities involving cycles).

Motor vehicles are involved in about 94% of serious pedestrian casualties on the pavement/verge too..."

Wait till this gets here...

Care to give us a link of what you are qouting? A ten year old report? Anything more recent? Were the cars actually on the footpaths or were the pedestrians on on country roads with without foot paths, only grass verges? (difference being on grass verges the pedestrian is actually on the tarmac of the road, not the verge itself?

I'm going to ask you a straight question and I'll appreciate a straight answer...when you are on your bike, are you on the footpath?

See there's an interesting one in Currys a folding one...

https://www.currys.ie/products/riley-rs3-electric-folding-scooter-black-10244346.html

Even DID do them now...

https://www.did.ie/collections/electric-scooters

"similar" is doing some heavy lifting there, at a guess the kinetic energy of an e-anything is going to be more than pedal power, there are some ridiculous contraptions on the road passing under the radar as "bikes"

The key word here being "Legal"… there's a LOT of e bikes and scooters out there who are far from legal…I've been passed by many of them doing upwards of 40 to 50kph+