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USA 2024 presidential election

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭The Phantom Jipper


    I really hope Trump and his fans persist with the DEI line, it is completely braindead political messaging. Trump is almost the textbook definition of somebody being born with a silver spoon. Whether you like her or not, by any measure Harris has an impressive CV so this will do nothing but wind up nearly every voting bloc that the Dems need to get out and vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,988 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Think her closet is probably pretty clean since they'd have first started looking in to it in 2020 and even now, all they have is baseless innuendo about her career progression and claims she kept people in jail longer than they should have been. Which is all pretty weak when compared to Trump and his record both professionally and personally.

    (P.S. I always think when it comes to this topic at how absolutely clean Obama was, can you imagine the extremes they went to to dig up dirt on him over 2 terms, and the only thing they got that had any traction was the birtherism which only appealed or interested wingnut conspiracy theorists)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,778 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yes, which is a pretty minor demographic that will hopefully vote for Harris



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,414 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    How can you forget… <googles it> Tim Kaine? I think I was aware of him back in 2016 but then the record was overwritten.

    I think the particular VP pick can be important with particular demographics, perhaps not wider than that.
    And a VP who can help deliver a swing state.
    It is marginal but these elections can come down to fine margins.

    I think whether RFK runs or drops out an endorses Trump may be a bigger factor than VP picks. Polls show him drawing votes away from Trump.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Like just what is he trying to achieve with such a comment?

    Because modern American christian conservatism has a distinct streak that likes to tie motherhood to patriotism in that manner that's more than a little fascistic. If you can't have children then yo'ure not doing your patriotic duty to birth or breed new (preferably white) Americans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,021 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Sigh. I mean they look like us- they speak a form of English. But yet so different.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,245 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's the whole "tradwife" thing.

    They want the women from the Stepford wives.

    If women knew their place and stayed in the kitchen feeding the kids, the "real men" could have more jobs and feel validated and tough and stuff.

    It's all part of the tragic insecurity and enduring terror of the modern American Conservative man.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The whole "tradwife" thing is just rich conservative women posturing on social media for clicks though.

    It's insane the degeneration into raw hate that we've seen in American conservatism.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Maybe but the cultural trickle is such that you have a great swath of low-income, white America who will or have started to believe that it has been some loss of blue-collar masculinity, or excessive indulgence towards feminism, that's the cause of all America's ills. "Make America Great Again" has always stank of a desire to return to mid 20th century cultural and social norms, rarely hiding it. CPAAC speakers have spoken quite plainly that women should choose motherhood or a career, but not both; while the entire attack on abortion and contraception techniques a pretty transparent attempt to limit women's options.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Respectfully, I don't think there's a "maybe". I don't see how a family anywhere can subsist, much less thrive, on a single person's income without that salary being extremely high and/or a large amount of inherited wealth involved.

    Conservatism over there looks to me like a crusade aimed at establishing a caste system with women reduced to the role of producing the next generation of labourers, most men being stuck in menial jobs while a ruling elite owns as much as possible. I'm reminded of a scene from BoJack Horseman where murder becomes legal for billionaires.

    Honestly, a part of me thinks that either Trump wins in November or Trump or a successor wins in 2029. Project 2025 looks like Brexit - inevitable.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,810 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I hope you are wrong and that it is a larger demographic than just "minor".

    I am not qualified to have an opinion on that...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Respectfully, I don't think there's a "maybe". I don't see how a family anywhere can subsist, much less thrive, on a single person's income without that salary being extremely high and/or a large amount of inherited wealth involved.

    What is it they say? America is a 3rd World Country presenting as a 1st World one? I don't think you can overestimate just how cripplingly poor some parts of White America is once you leave the major urban centres - yet you'd tear your hair out trying to rationalise how that same demographic trends towards the side of the chamber routinely gutting welfare, healthcare or education.

    Poor White America got Trump over the line in 2016 precisely because they were left behind - yet they keep buying the lies peddled by the GOP and MAGA; you're right you can't subsist on a single person's income - but if you're stuck in the American version of a Sink Estate, trapped within a cage created by the GOP - how do you know better?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,245 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I caught a clip of Anthony Scaramucci (I know) but he was making the point that 20M "Boomers" have died since the 2016 election and nearly 40M Millennials/GenZ are now of voting age in the same time frame including 8M since the 2022 Elections alone.

    That demographic shift is very significant which is why I think the Right are so desperate this time around.. If they don't win now, it's hard to see how they win in 4 years time.

    I saw something similar for the UK , based on typical life expectancy something like 20% of Tory voters in the recent election won't be alive at the next one assuming the Government serves a full term.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Third world country with a Gucci belt is the one I am familiar with. Also: One party state so extravagant that they had to have a second party.

    I've heard tales from people I know who've been outside the major cities so I'd well believe it. I would argue against the use of "left behind" though. They've actively voted for their own economic destruction for decades now and they've reaped the appropriate reward.

    To know better, you have to want to learn and grow but there's a strong culture of anti-intellectualism in the US so, for many people, having the likes of Tucker Carlson do the thinking for you is common enough. It's just mad to me how so many go bankrupt annually and yet nobody asks why they can't afford something that's free at the point of use in the UK.

    They have free speech but there's a fair bit of taboo along with it. Even in the sitcoms I love so much, characters who are supposed to be poor live in luxury and nobody ever has a problem with medical bills or being sued (except for comic effect).

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's significant but Trump was ahead of Biden in the polls as I remember. I know polls are flawed and all but that must mean something? The problems with hordes of disaffected men won't have abated because the boomers are passing the torch, albeit involuntarily.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I think a lot can be explained by under-education; it's not without reason the GOP have really made sure schools and colleges are as crippled as possible without completely closing. Couple that with a foundational culture that seeds a resting hostility towards any kind of government intervention being automatically bad at worst, suspect at best, and you got a demographic who'll vote against their own best interests. It's a rats nest of contradictions really that'd take paragraphs to unfurl.

    I always enjoy this tweet, the foundation of a sub-reddit whose content is kinda along those lines; despairing at ostensible "good news" stories failing to recognise the larger systemic problems int he first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    He comes across surprisingly well on the Rest is Politics.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'm jumping the shark a little but the point holds:

    One of the best things I ever did was emigrating. I'd consider returning if I could afford it but to be stuck in a mindset that would kill your curiosity, sense of wonder and desire to learn sounds soul-destroying, honestly. That's the reason the GOP hate education. There's a reason it turns a lot of people into liberals.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,778 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The Palestine issue gets a lot of attention in the media but realistically the vast majority of the global population doesn't care. Even less care the further you are from the Middle East

    But a minority is all trump needed to swing it in 2016 so get enough of them on side and Harris will sing her way to the oval office



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,165 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Seniors over 65 favored Biden over Trump in polling I think, its a major reason why Biden would have fancied his chances even with other polling so bad most notably swing states as they are the most reliable voting bloc about.

    Whether Harris can hold them will play a big role in November.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,918 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    I think she'll have the advantage of Biden singing about what a great job they did but need to continue to do to protect Social Security and Medicare from the depravities of CFTrump and his ilk. Biden focused on seniors will be a big plus for Harris. Biden lowering insulin prices is a big political point, many many seniors in the US rely on it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    I'm probably injecting some serious hopium , but I'm weirdly optimistic about Kamala Harris chances. Early days, could be all media bluff and just a brief bounce/ honeymoon period but I do sense a massive change in energy and enthusiasm. The dems rallying together, tsunami of donations even from small ground level donors is a great sign, the polls closing right up again.
    I'll caveat that though by the fact she has a lot of work to do to make up ground. Pennsylvania and Michigan especially look like they're must win and keys for the Dems and it's gonna be super hard to win them again.
    The hope is that Trump peaked in the weeks gone by and peaked too early . With the debate, the assassination attemp and RNC. JD Vance as well, running mates dont usually make all that difference, but he seems a disastrous pick and offers nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,918 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Lots of enthusiasm for Harris, the more that vote, the better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I see Don Jr. interviewed Vance last night. Seems like it wasn't much of an interview though. Vance couldn't get a word in because Jr. was so coked off his head and was talking a mile a minute.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Obviously being ostensible satire, I'm sure there's a degree of cherry picking going by Stewart but his run-down of the last week or two does kinda hint that the GOP really didn't (yet) how to handle Harris and its media mouthpieces have been flailing around with some frankly outrageous swings.

    Does read like they haven't figured out a tactic yet and maybe in the comings weeks they will, undoubtedly. But it does all smell like scrambling in lieu of any concrete point of attack. No more than it was with Biden himself TBH in 2020: GOP had no clear path on policy so leant on the same shít they did with Clinton - innuendo over "criminality" with Hunter Biden, as it was with Hillary & alleged malfeasance.

    As far as I can see Harris just doesn't have the same kind of … I dunno how to describe it other than skeleton adjacent history in her cupboard, so what then? If all they can manage is trash-talk about her romantic history via creeps and malcontents like Ben Shapiro? Coming polls are gonna be very interesting to read, unreliable as they might be and if there has been any kind of bounce.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I hate to do the both sides thing but, save Project 2025, I can't name a single policy from either candidate. Presumably, Harris intends to continue along the course that Biden has trekked. Trump will continue to do Trump things as he did in 2017-2020. If I were a US resident, I'd be voting Harris to keep out Trump. I have nothing beyond that.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I'd be voting Harris as I want abortion protected federally, oh and she's in favour of green energy.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Oh Harris is absolutely pitched as the continuity candidate and the only reason she's here was because Biden's age was deemed insurmountable to the Democrats and those leaning that way in November. Some of the relieved celebrations from the centre-to-left have been like they already won.

    But what's interesting on the whole is that so far I'm seeing no compelling narrative created or avenue taken by the GOP that suggests they have a handle on how to counter Harris' campaign. Like they just assumed Biden was too stubborn to step down and they had no Plans B. It has even been suggested had they known Harris was incoming, Vance would not have been the VP pick.

    Their biggest attack was Biden's age; now that's gone and this has now only exposed their own candidate along the same lines. And with a new rival candidate now remarkably clean of issues it's showing the GOP up as empty vessels, howling prejudice out of lack of any clear alternative path. Even talk of Harris' personal life only exposes Trump even more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,810 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Biden ran out of what electioneering steam he ever had and was dragging his party down with him.

    Now the Dems have someone to support in an energetic way and hopefully the case against the GOP and their Monkey Rider will be prosecuted in a professional way.

    Biden sure was a man for the times ,just not these times (was there really a possibility he would have held on ? It sure was beginning to feel that way)

    Old age sucks but the GOP old ager is and has always been sucking the life out of everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,165 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    The immigration bill which Trump shut down she has said she will sign, its clever politics, but its ultimately a GOP immigration bill, so yeah on one side makes sense but damn American politics is bleak right now.

    We have a right wing party and whatever the heck the Republican party is. You don't have to be a hardcore socialist to be unexcited about it.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I think had one side not such an egregiously destructive, wannabe dictatorial candidate the conversation might have been more about the lack of left-of-centre representation on either ticket, absolutely; but a right-leaning Californian is practically Trotsky when the other side is openly embracing the lure of authoritarianism & warping America's executive power into something absolute.

    Back in 2016 you saw in the Democratic Primary a pretty clear conversation about finally embracing a more openly socialist candidate with the likes of Sanders or Warren talking up more leftie language (obviously compared with Europe you can debate how "socialist" either were). I think when, of all people, Hillary Clinton nosed ahead of Bernie Sanders it really shrank the Left's enthusiasm … even suddenly meaning this outsider Donald Trump appealed with his drain the swamp narrative. Maybe there was some political establishment after all if after all the buzz Clinton got the nod & spoke of "her turn".

    Of course we saw how that all went, but it's curious how the last 2 election cycles there's nary a mumble about the Democrats' poverty of left-leaning choices or priorities. Not to any national, mainstream degree. And until MAGA is stamped out or dies with Trump, I kinda get it: America democracy is still in Crisis Mode & radical swings to the left could only further the agenda of the Hard Christian Right trying to upend the country. I don't even know how you unring the bell of this increasingly hostile Christian Right, but going Left mightn't be it.

    Mind you, all that said, Harris could canter all the way through November into the White House … but it speaks to that Crisis Mode nobody has yet asked "yeah but Trump, what if you lose?" … cos again, we saw how that went the last time & I see no reason why MAGA is this time gonna say, "yeah we lost, fair enough".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,028 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    She was appointed the "boarder czar" by Biden in 2021 but now the media started gaslightingeveryone everyone by saying she wasn't. America does need to get a grip on the boarder as its just out of control. I'm surprised Trump has jumped on the fact Harris said she'll make an executive order to confiscate guns if Congress don't do, going after people's guns a trigger happy country like America isn't the best idea but interesting to see how people take to that idea



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,414 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    She wasnt border czar the way you mean it. That is well established by numerous media outlets. The only gaslighting is repeating the Republican lies about it.

    Trump ordered his stooges in Congress to block a bipartisan bill on the border. A bill that had the support of Biden, Republican committee members and border patrol unions.

    Just to deny Biden a 'win' and leave it as an issue Trump could campaign on - in bad faith.

    Only one party is trying to be grown up here and actually govern responsibly. The other side are grifters and stooges and cowards who bend the knee to Trump.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭moon2


    Ah, Trump is probably aware that the "executive order" quote is fake, and any attempt to weaponise it would backfire by simply playing back any of the innumerable videos of her speech where she said the opposite of that :)

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kamala-harris-guns-confiscation/

    Then again, you're calling all the data explaining the inaccuracies of the "border czar" claim as fake news, so it's unsurprising you're also quoting other false stories as fact. For reference, there are many reputable sites investigating that claim. The facts here are a little more nuanced than the previous bogus claim, but overall it's also false based on what she was actually tasked with.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=is+kamala+haris+the+border+czar+snopes&t=euandroid&chrome_dse_attribution=1&ia=web

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Trump did a car crash interview with 4 black women representing the National Association of Black Journalists

    • Straight off the bat he was asked about all his racist and sexists comments about black women in the past and rather than attempt to justify them he instead attacked the interviewer (of course he did) for being nasty
    • He stated that Kamala Harris has only recently started identifying as black (she hasn't)
    • His own team ended the interview early to try and get him out of there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,600 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,337 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Because a petulant spoiled narcissist should never be in control of of the country; while Trump may attempt another insurrection I think he'll be very surprised how much better prepared everyone is for that this time.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Of course, Biden, as President, could authorise the use of lethal force to put down such a n insurrection, including its leaders.

    He would of course be immune from prosecution if he did.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,918 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Remarkable. In a bad way.

    The ad from the Birch Gold Gold group was particularly amusing. Birch. Uhuh.

    "Is JD Vance ready on day one?"

    "The VP has no impact on the election." "This woman was very rude to me."

    "I aced both my cognitive tests."

    (J6 rioters): "I would pardon them if they were innocent." "They were convicted."

    —then the Trump team cuts it off, and he's heckled off the stage



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    That was somehow even worse than I expected, leading into the obvious wondering of why and how they let him do it in the first place? Did they honestly think an interview with black journalists, in Chicago, was gonna go great? I wonder about the timelines & if this a response to Harris' announcement; quick, get Trump talking to some black people.

    I had honestly forgotten just how nakedly impatient and hostile Trump is towards even a modicum of challenging questions - but especially from women. It's so transparent. They're always, always "rude" and/or "nasty" and not like the court cases weren't already indicator, but the man truly is a horrendous misogynist. I did get a dark chuckle about how he kept bringing it up - then saying he's "fine with it". I'm not bitter, you're bitter; obsessed, not obsessed no no.

    As with all things Trump, none of this is gonna sway voters 'cos say what you will about the man he has been an open book from day one; the only difference being the question of his mental acuity - if that was fair game for Biden then so it goes with Trump.

    Again though, I'm only seeing Trump & the GOP utterly incapable of dealing with this scenario as a group. They're still scrambling. Saw some of Harris' rally work and whatever else she's a much better orator than Clinton was; I can see why the GOP are sweating about the second debate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,918 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Convicted Felon Trump was nervously tapping his tiny hands together while waiting on the questions. Supposedly he had to wait too, which no doubt spiked whatever the Adderall puts into his bloodstream. It was pretty interesting to watch. He might've needed his diaper changed, too.

    Really came across as a racist old bigot who has been humoured for so long by his bubble that he doesn't even realize it. "Sh1thole countries," "Best President for Blacks since Lincoln," Central Park 5 ads in the NY Times, telling Cohen when driving through somewhere - Harlem? - that it's only this way in Black neighbourhoods, that he's with Black people because he's been arrested and convicted, and on and on.

    Convicted Felon Trump tells us what he is all the time. No reason not to believe him



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I've seen Trump say that before re. Lincoln, and notwithstanding the fact he man seems incurably ignorant & incurious, it's weird how that's the historical jumping off point for him & Black History; not, as the journalist tried to suggest but got spoken over, anything more recent & relatable to the audience like the outcomes of the Civil Rights era … no, no. It's Lincoln. I suppose it's probably "just" Trump speaking to his own narcissism that as with all things he can only speak in superlatives so of course puts himself on a pedestal with a mythic figure like Abraham Lincoln.

    Suppose most that can be speculated upon is that colossal misstep of an interview might sway a few hundred more undecided voters … but it won't pivot MAGA at all, being as it is a Personality Cult. If anything, a craven many will probably have loved him speaking back to what they saw as uppity black people, never happy. I've always got this impression that there's a robust minority in America who think black people should be more "grateful" for the gracious whites abolishing slavery (80 odd years after the rest of the Western World abolished it but hey ho) - and anything past that was a mistake. The grotesque amount of red-lining, voter suppression & gerrymandering, which often disproportionately harms black areas, kinda backs it up.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Talking of Trump and Abraham Lincoln was the image of Trump standing in front of the Lincoln memorial showing himself as a tiny individual compared to the huge memorial. It just shows him in comparison to the former President that most Americans admire for uniting America and ending the secession of the Southern States.

    I doubt there will ever be a memorial for Trump.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Technically he gets a library though, right? Isn't it in the done thing to get something named after you as a former President - with libraries the typical institution?

    As to a memorial? Are you kidding: I guarantee there's gonna be some god-awful, gold plated statue erected to Trump, in some godforsaken Sink Estate City somewhere in the US; if Milwaukee can build a statue to the Fonz, or Detroit have one made for RoboCop (albeit crowdfunded and still delayed), then I'd put money on some "citizen" group demanding a statue put up for their idol, the irony lost on those ostensible old testament types.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    might get away with a roundabout, there's plenty of them in the states right?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,245 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    As I understand it , they don't "get" a library more that they get the ability to set one up.

    The Presidents team fundraise and arrange with local government (usually home state/city) for a site and then they pay to have to built and filled with memorabilia and so on which is then managed by NARA.

    Not a chance Trump does that.

    I have no doubt that a few MAGA acolyte city councils or State Government will look to name a Road or a school or something after him or like you say put up a tacky statue , but there absolutely will not be a "USS Trump" or whatever nor will there be any Federal facility named after him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    They could always name a federal penitentiary after him.

    One for white collar crime would be apt.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I suppose a library might be difficult to build one small enough to hold just the few books he has read. Perhaps they could include all the papers that he submitted to the courts in all the legal cases he lost over his hundreds of cases he brought to no avail.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,245 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The "Donald J Trump Federal penitentiary for Rapists and Conmen who can't read good"



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