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BBC Scandal - Huw Edwards formally suspended over payment of explicit images of teenager Read OP*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭batman75


    I said in an earlier post that I thought Edwards could make a return to broadcasting. In the light of today's charges I have to change my mind. Category A images are as depraved as can be ever seen. He is toast and will most likely be shunned by society.

    He was one of the main faces of the BBC. It's hard to believe his sexual predilection only started during lockdown. We may never know the true extent of his sexual interest in children. I use children in the context of them being pre pubescent. If he does serve jail time I don't envy him. He'll get hell.

    On the outside he had it all. A wife, family, top BBC presenter and yet he harboured truly sick and evil desires. He has to have actively pursued the attainment of these images. Surely somebody with a conscience would have sought help. I can appreciate such a move could have been humiliating. Surely the less of two evils though when you see the predicament he is in today. He is destroyed. By his own hand mind.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,142 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison



    Edit - sorry this posted on previous page

    Almost certainly won’t get a custodial sentence considering the other chap got 1 year suspended …..quote below from article

    One other person was charged in relation to the messages shared via WhatsApp.

    'He is Alex Williams, 25, of Merthyr Tydfil, Wales. Williams pleaded guilty to seven offences following an investigation by South Wales Police.'

    Williams, who was in a chat with Edwards, was sentenced to a total of 12 months' imprisonment, suspended for two years following a March 15 hearing at Merthyr Tydfil Crown Court. 


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13693763/huw-edwards-bbc-paedophile-welsh-police-whatsapp.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    A bit like when politicians are caught doing something wrong people often wonder why in this day and age would they not come clean before being exposed. The common denominator is that, like them, Huw was probably arrogant enough to believe given his position he would never get caught. If he had a conscience he would not have sought out the images. The idea that lockdown is somehow to blame for all this is ridiculous



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,352 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I don't know how anyone could know when his predilection started. The police have evidence he acted on it and got the images in 2020, but that's their job. They're not trying to answer the question of when his predilection started because the predilection isnt a crime (repugnant as it is). They are only concerned with what they have evidence of.

    Whether he did it before and destroyed the evidence is complete unknowable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,142 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    No “lockdown” certainly not to blame. My understanding is his depression greatly increased throughout lockdown and was featured in advance of the original story breaking is my understanding.
    most people, don’t resort to such behaviour if depressed - maybe the depression accelerated such behaviour but the “cause”- that’s most likely someone else entirely



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  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭batman75


    Doesn't depression normally lead to apathy in regards to sex drive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,486 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I heard in the news that the UK Government's Culture Secretary was seeking an urgent meeting with the BBC DG Tim Davie tomorrow to discuss the matter of Huw Edwards recent court hearing yesterday. I wonder what will be discussed if that meeting will be held later this morning.

    The BBC have admitted in a statement that they don't have legal recourse to get the salary payments and pension contributions back from Edwards while he was employed at the BBC.

    BBC News have said they didn't know about the arrest and charges against Edwards until Monday.

    I would say that the staff at BBC News were probably horrified that they didn't know about the charges on Edwards until then. The BBC have also said in their statement that if they knew about Edwards being arrested by South Wales Police before he resigned from the BBC in April; they would have sacked him with immediate effect.

    I would sense a huge row is going to take off between the Government & the BBC DG in the morning. It's not going to be a pretty sight to hear about it in the British media later on today. There would be no winners when uncovering this situation. When you are facing the reality that one of your most prominent personalities is now a paedophile in what was one of the most trusted organisations around the UK & around the world; you have no choice but to sit there and face the consequences of that outcome whenever it comes it comes right back at you. If the British public begin a public revolt over this story with not paying their licence fee to the BBC in the near future. The trust within the whole of the BBC could go down like a lead balloon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    If the British public begin a public revolt over this story with not paying their licence fee to the BBC in the near future. The trust within the whole of the BBC could go down like a lead balloon.

    I'm not following, Huw Edwards is a paedophile, therefore licence payers will blame the BBC??



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    We may never know the true extent of his sexual interest in children.  I use children in the context of them being pre pubescent. he harboured truly sick and evil desires. He has to have actively pursued the attainment of these images.

    I don't agree with that, tbh.

    I remember a case of some lad being done for possessing similar images. He had downloaded some beastiality porn and they were included in the folder, he didn't look for them, didn't want them, but was still convicted (I'm not googling that one, but it was a good few years ago)



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,142 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I’m not entirely sure they would have been able to sack him before his guilty plea- suspend him yes but I’d doubt they had the legal ability to sack him



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,352 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Hindsight is great but he wasn't found guilty of anything until yesterday. I wouldn't be happy with employers firing people for being under investigation.

    I'm happy with them sticking to the rules and 'innocent unless proven guilty' is a good rule for everyone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,815 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah as Oscar Madison says, I would also imagine Edwards would have had a pretty substantial contract with a lot of caveats about if/how the BBC would be able to terminate his contract. Most of the bigger names would have this regardless of whether or not they'd ever think it could come into play, it'd be fairly standard for bigger names. So I'd think maybe the BBC wouldn't have been able to terminate the contract unless he was actually found guilty of a crime, but could be suspended before that if enough reason that he was bringing his position into disrepute or similar.



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭batman75


    In fairness down loading bestiality pictures is also screwy but I get your point. Thankfully I have never come across images of beastiality or paedophilia.



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭batman75


    I feel very sorry for his wife and children. No matter how much they love him they have to see him in a different light.

    My primary sadness is for the children who are abused to satisfy such repellent urges.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Is this "business" going to change completely over the next short while as deepfakes will do away with the need for live victims?

    How will the law reflect that new reality (if that reality does come to pass)?

    Will this stuff become a "victimless crime" in the near future and unable to be prosecuted without appearing to be a "thought crime"?



  • Registered Users Posts: 69,013 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Most countries, here included, ban cartoon or other depictions already



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭amandstu


    But will the"game" change when digitized representations account for the overwhelming majority of the market and " live " depictions have almost died out?

    Is that around the corner?



  • Registered Users Posts: 69,013 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I doubt it. If anything, any countries that don't have legal restrictions on generated/animated representations will likely make it illegal



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,815 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    As it should be. Even if it could be argued that it's "victimless", it's feeding into a mentality and behaviour that should not be tolerated, not to mention that AI can only generate images from taking that base info from real sources.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭amandstu


    How could you have a law that could tell the age of an artificially depicted character?

    Would some of the laws applying to what HE has pled guilty to be unenforceable in practice if that kind of an artificial image was trafficked)

    Even if theoretically enforceable ,if the rate of successful prosecutions goes down the financial incentive for peddling this stuff rises correspondingly.

    Would be interesting to know if deepfakes were involved in this case.

    Being a few years since the crime was committed I would say not(and the reporting seems to indicate that real people had been abused )



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  • Registered Users Posts: 69,013 ✭✭✭✭L1011




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Is it enforceable(I am not familiar with its provisions )?

    Has it been enforced?

    If it is enforceable now ,will it remain enforceable ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,628 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I can see it being a factor in considering if a sentence will be suspended.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭amandstu


    They could be dead people(.At what stage is that activity criminal rather than merely repellent?



  • Registered Users Posts: 69,013 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    They would still be depictions of minors; them being dead does not alter that at it

    I suspect that depictions that could be argued to be young looking adult may be very difficult to prosecute, but those that are clearly and undeniably depictions of minors have no defense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭amandstu


    You can rejuvenate actors (deNiro ,Hanks etc).Traffickers will gravitate to the lowest hanging fruit and slip in the odd real one as a "loyalty bonus" if they know the "coast is clear".

    This is like drug smuggling .



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,142 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Totally enforceable - think of (well don’t actually) a young cartoon character - now think of that young cartoon character depicted in an illegal act relating to the topic at hand- that’s plain and simple child abuse imagery- so too are stories btw ie the written word.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I see. What about (I am not sure this is even a thing) people who dress up as children for sex? (a bit George Gallowayish)

    I mean ,suppose the husband or the wife asked the partner to dress like a child (again I don't know if that happens but I have a suspicion it might well ,even if rarely )…would that be illegal or just freaky?

    I found this by googling my own question

    https://www.hampshire.police.uk/news/hampshire/news/news/2020/january/woman-who-dressed-as-teenage-boy-to-sexually-abuse-young-girls-is-jailed/

    It is not the same thing….. btw if you click on that Hampshire Police seem to check your search history….



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,117 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    An adult dressing as a child, or wearing a nappy and acting like a baby, to have sex with another adult - that's still two adults having consensual sex. An adult will look like an adult regardless of what they wear because they are an adult.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Sure .This is a bit of a detour ,anyway. The future will knock on our door soon enough.



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