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Can Sinn Fein fix the housing crisis or is it beyond them or anybody else?

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  • #752
    brokenangel
    Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119584860#Comment_119584860

    I will just comment on 9, you want to stop building houses in the middle of a housing crisis?

    if you do that and then transfer back into county council, what do you think the county council are going to do? they are not a construction company!!!



  • #753
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭almostover


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119584693#Comment_119584693

    I agree with you, we can't pause baby making or increasing life expectancy. Hence we must pause inward immigration. At least until such time as we have the infrastructure to cope with it. Otherwise all those new babies will have no houses to live in and the elderly will freeze due to lack of energy infrastructure and/or clog up our already overburdened health system.

    What is the point in continuing the current immigration policies when we know its going to make our main societal problems worse? At least consider a short term pause?



  • #754
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,784 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119585434#Comment_119585434

    There will not be a "short term pause" on inward migration. We're a country that enjoys access for our citizens to most countries around the world without much fuss, have been emigrating ourselves for decades, it's just not a possibility unless some right wing nuts get into power.



  • #755
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭almostover


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119586491#Comment_119586491

    What's the alternative so? Immigration quotas perhaps? It's either that or we get real about housing, health and energy. Just watching the news on the +1 channel and the Irish refugee Council is on speaking about the fact that they can't house 130 of the asylum seekers that landed here last week. The national sports campus is being looked at the house them. So continue on with inward immigration and let them roam the streets and live in makeshift refugee camps instead?

    I'm not against immigration at all. There is conflict and famine all over the world and as a nation we should do what we can for people fleeing these situations. But it's incumbent upon us to ensure we can provide basic shelter for people and an opportunity to integrate into normal society. And opportunity for those already resident in Ireland. It's easy to dismiss my suggestion as right wing nonsense but what's the alternative? I'm open to suggestions.



  • #756
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,784 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The alternative is that we build accommodation and slowly reduce the use of emergency accommodation. The, relatively, low level.of net immigration doesn't really impact things here apart from driving a fee headlines and being a dogwhistle to others.

    Ireland just isn't going to pause on this, is any party even hinting at such a thing?



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  • #757
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,081 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588335#Comment_119588335

    That is some sense of entitlement she has.



  • #758
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,575 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    We can't control EU migration.

    We could limit non-EU migration, in the interest of slowing the growth of demand for rental property.



  • #759
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,702 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588767#Comment_119588767

    ...or we could just start building......maybe....radical idea i know, but shur.....



  • #760
    griffin100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,968 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Interesting conversation between Anton Savage and Eoin O'Broin on Newstalk this morning. I thought Eoin was a bit fluffy on the numbers and where all the new houses would come from. A lot of assumptions being made. https://www.newstalk.com/news/1380419-1380419



  • #761
    brokenangel
    Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119589100#Comment_119589100

    Eoin proving once again he is a greta man shouting in the Dail but ask him a few questions and it all starts to fall apart

    yet again SF prove they haven't a clue and it's like throwing darts at a dart board for their housing policies

    "It doesn't add up"

    https://twitter.com/fiannafailparty/status/1567848473789186048




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  • #762
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,575 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Plan published today.

    https://vote.sinnfein.ie/

    https://vote.sinnfein.ie/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Sinn-Fein-Affordable-Homes-Plan.pdf



  • #763
    Quiet Achiever
    Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭Quiet Achiever


    But who builds the bloody things?



  • #764
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452823#Comment_122452823

    No information on who will build these houses or did I miss that part



  • #765
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,353 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452823#Comment_122452823

    You don't need to read pas the cover - it's just a plan to try and satisfy the voters who still won't except any solution that does not include them getting to own a house. Until the voters attitude changes, all plans are doomed to fail.



  • #766
    downtheroad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453579#Comment_122453579

    No information on cost of materials, construction quality, size of properties, number of bedrooms/bathrooms.

    Vaguer than vague, classic SF.



  • #767
    Rosahane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    SF propose spending €13.2 Billion to build 50,000 houses which works out at €260,000 per house average.

    However the proposal paper shows the cost of build ranging between 309,700 and 424,200!

    Maybe they should invest in a calculator instead of guessing 😂



  • #768
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453624#Comment_122453624

    exactly the way I read it

    Pull a numbers out of their arse, put down cheap houses and low rent. Then stick it up and hope the majority won’t read it or ask questions



  • #769
    downtheroad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453770#Comment_122453770

    I would suggest Clo, that SF are trying to appeal to potential voters who will never sit down to read a 16 page PDF, no matter what is inside the front cover.

    They could have had 15 pages of Eoin O'Broin's crayon house sketches and it wouldn't matter.

    The majority of people that will read this document wouldn't be voting SF anyway.

    Pat Kenny, Darragh O'Brien and the FG social media team will have a field day with the report though.



  • #770
    wovay
    Registered Users Posts: 48 ✭wovay


    The deficit of housing to get back to genuinely affordable across the nation is surely approaching 300,000 or 400,000.

    Meanwhile Ireland nearly set a world record for largest population increase in any country in modern history in a single year at 3.5%.

    The answer is no. Nobody is going to fix the housing crisis without tackling the unprecedented arrival of migrants into a country the size of a postage stamp.

    Surprise, surprise.



  • #771
    downtheroad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453998#Comment_122453998

    Please point to 1 western country with a thriving economy where there is genuinely affordable housing?



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  • #772
    thereiver
    Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭thereiver


    Sinn Fein are a small minority party they are losing voters the housing crisis will be solved by

    Fianna fail or fianna gael the problem is the economy is booming there's not enough houses

    to keep up with demand I can see no solution in sight costs of labours materials are rising who knows what it'll cost to build a house in 3 years we have a limited amount of building workers available one option increase building height encourage the building of large apartment blocks in citys

    Its hard to say if the present political party's have the will or the intelligence or the ability to tackle the housing crisis eg build 30k plus units each year

    Sinn Fein are effectively powerless to solve any problems in the next few years

    Post edited by thereiver on


  • #773
    wovay
    Registered Users Posts: 48 ✭wovay


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122454005#Comment_122454005

    Please point to 1 western country with mass migration and a normal housing situation.

    Fact of the matter, painful as it it to swallow for some, the economy isn't worth a figroll for most of the inhabitants of these countries because it does sweet bugger all to create and improve infrastructure. Aka the entire purpose of an economy.

    Which leaves an economy "thriving" for the sake of an economy. May as well call it Bobby Boland for all its relevance.

    A thriving Bobby Boland. Very useful.



  • #774
    downtheroad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    I have no idea who Bobby Boland is.

    House prices here were quite high before mass inward migration became the latest topic to anger some people. N



  • #775
    wovay
    Registered Users Posts: 48 ✭wovay


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122454040#Comment_122454040

    That's the point, you don't know what you're celebrating at all.

    The simple and inescapable truth of the matter is that unprecedented population increase from abroad, nearly world record breaking, is THE driving force behind housing breakdown.

    If the economy worked as an actual economy is supposed to work, there'd be plenty of housing being produced off the back of it. Instead, demonstrably, its a castle in the sky.

    You might even, gasp, call it a bit of a con. It's at play in numerous countries. We couldn't even innovate on a con.

    But feel free to ameliorate accelerating migration versus hundreds of thousands of homes deficit versus falling behind on targets already laughably insufficient. Everyone take their time and show your work.



  • #776
    yoke
    Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭yoke


    interestingly, one possible solution could be to “import” labourers via allowing extra immigration of builders, but this is not realistic given the current political climate.

    Yes the builders would need to be housed themselves, but overall they would build more houses than they would use themselves by a large amount.

    it’s similar to what’s currently done with doctors - yes the immigrant doctors’s families will also use up medical resources, but overall they are a net provider of medical services.

    The main issue is that Ireland is trying to live like a rich population centre of the world, rather than a low populated backwater, without having the actual population to permit this.
    No matter how much the Irish government incentivises “indigenous” population increase, you’ll never catch up with the likes of China/Japan (which have large incumbent populations), or USA (which was built on immigration), without immigration.

    Joining the EU was a step in the correct direction and has converted Ireland from a backwater to a part of a large and powerful union, but if that falls apart, we’re back to square one



  • #777
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,636 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Up to 2 years ago there might have been a chance of getting it under control but forget about it now.

    Even if builders were working 24/7 they would find it hard to keep up with demand.



  • #778
    TheRepentent
    Registered Users Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453635#Comment_122453635

    You need to factor in their magic money tree……..

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  • #779
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122454078#Comment_122454078

    The simple and inescapable truth of the matter is that unprecedented population increase from abroad, nearly world record breaking, is THE driving force behind housing breakdown.

    THE driving force is that we don't build enough housing.

    Now you can delve into the factors that contribute to that. My personal view is that it is primarily a poor planning system and selfish local opposition.



  • #780
    monkeybutter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Its fairly obvious that it is indeed possible to fix housing

    Leaving it to private sector is not the answer



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  • #781
    wovay
    Registered Users Posts: 48 ✭wovay


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122454079#Comment_122454079

    I think I heard that one more than 10 years ago, "they'll build the houses". It's an oldie but a goldie.

    Similar to healthcare provision overall, its worse than ever. Measurably.

    Western countrys governments have a homer Simpson makeup shotgun approach to mass migration.

    The facts are the facts though. There isn't a single political party that can possibly solve the housing crisis. They won't get within a country mile of it within 10 years, and everyone knows it! It's a game of charades being played, everyone dancing along on a stage in make believe.

    There isnt a snowballs chance in hell that 300 to 400k homes are going to rise up out of the ground overnight, simultaneously satisfy record breaking and accelerating migration, AND double or triple output going forward every year.

    It's high fantasy. Why don't fine gael and fianna fail run on a program of summoning goblins and orcs and talking fish to build a city on Tir na Nog, it's just as likely?

    Everyone knows what's up. Accepting it is the hump.



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