Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

"The real truth is that the IDF and Israel dont give two **** about the civilian population of Palestine and will wipe out entire families to get one so called terrorist…"

Recently, in the case of the mosque school shelter, it was that the Israeli claim to have killed 31 Hamas/PIJ fighting/hiding from among civilians (or "martyrs" as Hamas calls them all) was reduced on here to "one or two." Now here's an outrageous hypothetical scenario of just one, but with a big difference, that one is a "so-called terrorist". What do you mean by that? That, in your scenario, the Israelis had misidentified a civilian as a militant? Or that Hamas/PIJ are not terrorists?

"Hamas are to be condemned for violating international law…"

International law is the term given to the rules which govern relations between states.

It isn't in any way binding on terrorist organisations. Violating it is pretty much the only thing Hamas can't be condemned for!

Unless, of course, you think Hamas is not a terrorist organization?

I assume all of these are in on it?

ethnic cleansing doesn't have to be done in one go you know.

it can be done over years or decades.

so yes, israel are engaging in ethnic cleansing and genocide so as to steal the palestinian territories, and it won't stop there.

they are occupying the syrian golon heights among other territories outside their borders and the likelyhood is they will steal more from their neighbours as time goes on.

a racist, genocidal, apartheid state that needs to be beaten back within its borders and be treated the same as all other rogue states.

Odd that you should comment on something that isn't in the post you quoted rather than what actually is in his post.

He (or more accurately IDF I suppose) doesn't order "the strip" to be evacuated. They have never done that. They don't want to taint Israeli soil with Palestinian refugees, or spend their own money & time dealing with them.

The Palestinians are directed to move from one bombed out area that's about to become extremely unsafe, to maybe another less bombed out (or just as bombed out) area that will be safer for now until the Israelis need to bomb some Hamas there, or blow up/collapse a tunnel or perhaps hit a "power target" building/piece of infrastructure (if there's any left).

I think it happens repeatedly. Even with my totally limited ability to imagine the daily lives of people in situation Gazans are in, I am sure some must get must very tired of it + utterly worn down and give up packing and moving on such orders from IDF, and take their chances at this stage.

Yeah, it's clearly their own fault that the coloniser is killing them en masse. Move to where exactly? The places Israel tell them to go and then bomb anyway?

"Dont misquote me or Ill report your posts. And definitely dont try to twist my posts to suit your deluded narrative…"

I have not misquoted you by a single word. I cut and pasted two of your posts in two posts to you, one this morning and one this evening. I invite you to check them for errors.

In the morning one I asked you what you meant in your use of the term "so called terrorist" and if it meant a misidentified militant or if you felt Hamas were not terrorists.

In response (to the evening post) you state you "stand by that" in relation to the above but leave me none the wiser as to what you meant. And you are of course perfectly free not to explain what you meant.

My evening post quoted your comment about Netanyahu "…continuing to order his troops to bomb civilians as long as it keeps him in power…" and raised the issue of the absence of any reference to Hamas. You did not respond to that and, again, you are free not to.

The last part of your response to me is responding to another poster's comments.

If you feel that quoting your posts correctly and commenting on them and asking for explanations is "twisting your posts" then feel absolutely free to put my posts on your ignore list.

Thanks for proving my point and admitting Israel is bound by international law. With this in mind What is your opinion on the ICJ ruling regarding the West Bank? Also that the Israeli prime minister and defense minister have been accused of war crimes?

To answer your question, I consider hamas a terrorist organisation just as Irgun were. Do you you think Irgun were a terrorist organisation,Baglan1?

In both instances where I pulled a quote of yours to focus on specific questions that I had, I also linked to the full texts of both your posts. However, I will refrain from pulling quotes in future.I am also aware that one of my posts was in response to a reply of yours to another poster, surely perfectly acceptable on a discussion forum?

Thank you for your responses to the questions I had. As you will no doubt expect, I do not agree with you that Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing on the Palestinian people. But the cataclysmic horror and fear and heartbreak that they are experiencing could not be clearer. Hezbollah and Lebanon, like the West Bank, are for another thread ( are there current threads on boards covering those?), but, again I would strongly feel that Israel's targets would be direct responses to Hezbollah's attacks and not directed at civilian areas from where Hezbollah does not operate.

You are entitled to feel as you like. The evidence to the contrary trump your feelings,however. There is a reason Israel won't let journalists into Gaza, and it isn't to ensure the safety of the journalists .Still the truth gets outs.

War criminals always have their apologists- some people still feel Milsosevic was a great guy.

I'm not sure why you think there are irish posters here who are nazis supporters or IRA supporters. I don't think the actions by Israel will cause their demise, nor do the majority wish that here, we just wish they would stop committing war crimes.

It is strange that so many Israeli supporters seem to show more distain for the Irish calling out the the Israeli actions than the Israeli actions itself.