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Waterford Airport.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Did you read the link?

    The airlines are so reluctant to move capacity out of Dublin that the DAA are literally having to offer to pay the airlines to move routes from Dublin to Cork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914


    Yes I did, and money talks! Make it financial attractive and airlines will do it.

    It is how most regional airports operate with new airlines, offer no fees for the first 12-24 months in the hope they build up good numbers and then commit.

    No different with Cork, get a few to relocate, If they build up successfull routes then chances are they stay put.

    Post edited by 914 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭space2ground1


    Rory Gallagher guitar: Tánaiste to explore possible purchase of Fender Stratocaster for State

    12 guitars gets us a runway.

    This is getting stupid now. Buy the guitar and fund the runway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    I'm not paying twice.

    Our tax money is as good as anyone else's, so it's about time this region is made whole.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,931 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    i actually do agree with this, it more than likely wont get the million asking though, probably wont be anywhere near that….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭space2ground1


    I’m all for it, my point is more that we can afford 1 million to secure a part of musical history without a second thought.. and it’s 1/12th the cost of the runway to the state. The faux concern for the complexity and diligence required for a 12 million input to a regional public service that will lift the economy of a region is blatant BS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 dan575283578


    I wonder will the investors pull out if the funding isn't granted soon. Then we're back to square 1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Valhalla90


    Ryan has no business in his current role. He resigned as leader of the Greens. He knows it’s over for them. Just go and give the transport department to someone who is capable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭invara


    Listened to Matt Cooper's magnified podcast interviewing Kenny Jacobs (DAA). Both Cork men waxed lyrically about plans to expand Cork Airport - knock the old terminal, and extend the current one so that it can handle up to 7 million passengers. Talked it up as the airport for the entire South.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    This whole government inaction is a load of bolleaux! Anyone on here who believes we can detach politics from the few bob required to develop our small airport is smoking something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭friendlyfun


    Some shower cynically putting Waterford Airport in their MEP election videos. Probably never visited there before. Same as they did with the Hospital. FF will deliver 24/7 cardiac care? Remember that?

    Oh I will absolutely follow her up on her work on the Airport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Whats the state of the application? Did the airport backers get back to the department.. ?

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Are there going to be planning issues connected with the runway expansion ?

    I'd imagine anyone living within 5 or 10 km of either end of the runway will be strongly objecting .. to be fair with the way things work in Ireland,its kind of now or never to get any conditions or restrictions put in place , and a 737 size plane is still surprising noisy ..even if its only 1 or 2 flights per day proposed at first ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Project has full planning permission for quite some time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914


    The last update from the minister was that they airport did respond to any questions raised by the department so as it stands it is awaiting the departments decision.



  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭niallo76




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Valhalla90


    we will have WART before WAT … you couldn’t make it up the man is on another planet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭ExoPolitic


    Yeah the same thing happened for the North Quays project as well, took far too long to get going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭azimuth17




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 dan575283578


    You really do have to wonder what is taking them so long to approve this…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,931 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ..think thats fairly obvious, theres clearly no political will….

    …may change though after the ge, as its not looking too good for the greens, but really good for ffg…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Valhalla90


    €7m for Museum of Childhood Ireland in the former men’s hostel in Lady Lane. I’m not against this but it just shows you the money is there for the airport, political willingness is the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914


    100% it's political willingness. I've always said compare the establishment of SETU V the airport, in the notion of the "South East" working together.

    We had every political representative from outside Waterford telling us to get onboard with SETU and put the region first

    The same individuals haven't opened their mouth about the airport as it's not delivering anything concrete for their own parish, ignoring the benefits of tourism/travel an airport would bring.

    Imagine if government were to say we're gonna build a new airport on the Kilkenny/Wexford border, WLR would be littered with politicians from Kilkenny and Wexford stating how we need to roll behind this for the betterment of the region.

    Where is the same South East outcry for an airport as there were with SETU? Yes it's on government but it is also on the regions politicians and our numpties who bend over backwards for this notion of the South East while sacrificing Waterford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Hard to disagree with your analysis except to say that both KK and Wx councils are investing in the airport proposal. They see positive benefits for FDI and tourism. Otherwise, the "region" is extremely fractured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Valhalla90


    Fractured from small minded GAA boundary politicians that can’t see the bigger picture. Hogan & Howlin come to mind!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914


    I agree and even with council support it needs those in political circles to rally around it, hence my gripe is with politicians and not councils of neighbouring counties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭invara


    All regions are fractured. Cork has the scale of 3 counties, but city eats the East and West and shares little. Limerick and Clare are tectchy as hell, West is worse. But SFADCO and WDA coordinate and had baseline funding, borrowing capacity and ability to coordinate regional agendas at various times, with great results.

    It is totally a warning to Northern Ireland throwing their lot in with the South- Derry will do not better than Donegal in the current arrangement. We need an institutional rethink on regions and local Government, sadly we got big Phil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914


    I agree all regions are fractured but the likes of Cork, Limerick and Galway fight and have a strong voice whereas our numpties here seem almost scared to use the name Waterford and bow to every little request from neighbouring counties it seems.

    Even Mary Butler went against the boundary extension, you couldn't make it up



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914


    "Ireland South Fianna Fáil MEP, Cynthia Ní Mhurchú, has criticised Eamon Ryan for refusing to meet with her to discuss the future funding of the airport."

    While it is great to see Cynthia Ní Mhurchú calling this out what I can not understand, her party has been in government for 4 years now. Her party leader has been Taoiseach and is currently the Tánaiste.

    I feel like there is a bit of a cop out there, "oh we want to deliver it but it's not our fault, it's the greens"

    At any stage the Tánaiste could approach Ryan and say, this needs to be delivered, deliver it.

    The whole thing is like a circus.

    https://www.wlrfm.com/news/mep-accuses-transport-minister-of-cop-out-on-waterford-airport-371019?fbclid=IwY2xjawEZaNNleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHdFpcltkQWtXWpiHkW0n2pqgJ3jUTNk-7fL8xokIozl6jsHm4zm-JR_w_A_aem_b4ytSm5lxf_TVS_q9-o7qA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭Bards


    Yep, the whole cabinet has a little thing called "collective cabinet responsibility" so they are all to blame



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Valhalla90


    If I was Mary Butler now or Adam Wyse I would be trying to get this sorted asap. This issue is going to damage FF as they are in government and this project is completely being delayed by Ryan. Greens are finished next election so will FF in Waterford unless the airport is sorted. Time for them to speak up for Waterford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    But Waterford airport isn't in a super convenient spot for the rest of the south east , and realistically you need the whole of the south east population to make it a worth while proposition ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭Bards


    Neither is Dublin Airport for the whole country.. It's at the wrong side of Dublin to make it convenient for the whole country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914


    As per google maps right now, traveling by car. (Can't believe we are doing this AGAIN)

    Kilkenny →Waterford Airport (48 minutes)

    Wexford → Waterford Airport (62 minutes)

    Carlow → Waterford Airport (62 minutes)

    Gorey →Waterford Airport (80 minutes)

    Clonmel →Waterford Airport ( 56 minutes)

    The above times are fairly convenient, the times above would include parking the car and add an extra 60-90 second walk to the check-in desks, that is fairly convenient compared to the alternatives.

    Take Kilkenny → Dublin Airport Red Car Park as an example, it is 85 minutes, wait for coach, then coach to terminal adding on at least 10 minutes extra there brings you to 105 minutes which is almost an hour saving using Waterford, that's 2 hours on a round trip, I know which option is the more convenient option above.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914


    You are also only looking at it from Irish people looking to go abroad, what about people looking to come to Ireland.

    You can now market the South East directly by flying into the south East, setting a base there and exploring the area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭gw80


    I would disagree, it's basically connected to the m9, you cross the new bridge, out the bypass,turn at the airport round about and it's 4 or 5 minutes to the airport,no need to go through the city at all,

    You could drive from the m50 all the way to the airport on dual carriage way road and the only single carriage would be the 4 to 5 minutes from the airport roundabout in Waterford to the airport



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Dead right , and theres an element of "we are where we are " with Waterford airport , but Waterford doesn't have the established "mass" or the road Network/ bus network ect ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Valhalla90


    This is soul destroying to be back here debating travel times. We are the only region not connected by air. We pay the same tax as the rest of the country yet don’t receive the same infrastructure. This project is being actively delayed by the Green agenda and by Eamonn Ryan in the driving seat. A few flights from WAT is not going to cause the end of the world. We need to stop accepting this crap from government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914


    Road Network? Have you travelled to Waterford Airport, connected via the M9 and N25, dual carriageway by pass all the way to the airport road, which is then probably a 5-8 minute drive on a fairly decent single lane carriageway, what more do you want from a road point of view?

    The airport is only 10km from the bus and train station in Waterford so while not ideal that it has no bus network it is fairly easy to get to Waterford via bus/rail and a short taxi spin to the airport.

    The size of Dublin airport and it doesn't even have train connection!

    If Waterford was to retain flights and numbers increased you would see a bus route factored in as it would make logical sense. I presume any airport would need X amount of passengers before being serviced by public transport as it needs to be viable.

    That said regarding buses even bus networkers from Kerry and knock Airports are mainly town routes which go to the airport. As in it's not possible to get a direct bus from a town directly to the airport bar the nearest town obviously.

    Taking cork as an example I cannot get a direct bus from Waterford to cork airport, I need to take three buses to get there at a time of over 3 hours.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭robwen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    "Still undergoing stress testing and additional queries. No time line can be laid down. "

    The greatest crock of horse sh#t ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914


    The annoying this with all this is, we had Leo as Taoiseach and Simon now as Taoiseach state how much of a benefit this would be for the region, if they believed their own words then just deliver it.

    Interestingly in the Taoiseach's most recent response to Matt Shanahan be stated how they were committed to Waterford in delivery the funding for SETU, increased medical services but never mentioned the airport.

    All talk and no action as usual. As I previously said, either deliver it or have the balls to come and say, from a government point of view, we don't want to fund or deliver this, rather than dragging people along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,931 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …this statement more accurately describes whats happening here, ffg have an astonishing 'talent' of directing public anger and frustration towards their government partners, leading to less pointed towards them, its one hell of a tactic, and it works!

    …ffg control the purse!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914


    The Munster Express reporting that the DoT have sent their initial assessment to Ryan for his review and Ryan's consideration is expected the end of August.

    I'd expect him to have further questions seeing as they state this is an "initial assessment" he'll push back they'll seek more information, back and forth back and forth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 dan575283578


    Surely this decision has to be made eventually, they cannot keep kicking the can indefinitely



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,931 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ..oh god they can, even into the next ffg government to…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭AnRothar


    A decision has been made.

    it's to keep kicking it down the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Valhalla90


    David Cullinane has a post up on Facebook saying still no decision. This is absolutely beyond a joke now at this stage. Butler and Green TD Casey should be absolutely ashamed of their failings with this project. If it’s not delivered and people vote these two especially back in along with Cummins we deserve everything that we get. Which is zero basically!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    So Mr Cullinane has actually woken up and said something!!!



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