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BBC Scandal - Huw Edwards formally suspended over payment of explicit images of teenager Read OP*

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  • #1082
    Oscar_Madison
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453746#Comment_122453746

    eh you need help



  • #1083
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,744 ✭✭✭amandstu


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122454801#Comment_122454801

    Excuse me?



  • #1084
    nacho libre
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    Covid restrictions weren't for Huw either it seems.



  • #1085
    Oscar_Madison
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455135#Comment_122455135

    Even for that alone his behaviour was reckless - his whole career could have gone south had he been exposed for propositioning colleagues and also randomers he met online - I wonder how long all this has been going on



  • #1086
    cap.in.hand.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456779#Comment_122456779

    Propositioning colleagues at the BBC....never heard that before.



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  • #1087
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456929#Comment_122456929

    I think it relates to this, some of it more in the flirting space.

    The BBC reported fresh allegations of inappropriate behaviour by Edwards towards junior staff. Two current workers and one former member of staff claimed they were sent messages that made them uncomfortable.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-66081060

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/huw-edwards-allegations-bbc-presenter-sent-inappropriate-and-suggestive-messages-to-colleagues-064139654.html

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #1088
    Oscar_Madison
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456929#Comment_122456929

    yeah on the eve of the Queens funeral he was enticing a young bbc producer to stay with him in his lush roomy but one bed hotel suite



  • #1089
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456779#Comment_122456779

    Clearly Huw was arrogant enough to believe the rules didn't apply to him and, unlike others, he wouldn't suffer any consequences for his behaviour. I really doubt this all just started during lockdown because he was bored and depressed.



  • #1090
    Oscar_Madison
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457975#Comment_122457975

    Well his predilection for young males indicates he was at least bisexual if not homosexual - so this wasn’t merely a side effect of COVID or depression .

    His “relationship” with the 17yo was pretty much based on power and of course money - his subsequent conviction now for child abuse imagery illustrates he has no qualms about going well below that age.

    It’s certainly leaning towards a condition that’s been there for many years - did his rise to “stardom” at the BBC encourage him to become more daring- or has this always been his MO?
    Maybe we’ll hear more historical stories coming out in time as we’ve only heard of some of the ones that happened in the last couple of years but usually, you would have heard some of those stories at this stage if they existed - so maybe all of this behaviour is indeed very recent?




  • #1091
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,523 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458066#Comment_122458066

    Is anyone entertaining the notion that covid lockdown or depression changed his sexual orientation and turned him either gay or into a paedo?

    He is what he is and we know he acted on it in 2020, but neither depression or COVID caused him to be attracted to children.

    I don't know how it works, but my working assumption its just a sexual orientation. I never chose to be attracted to adults of the opposite sex. It's just the way I am. When I hear about things like this I always feel grateful that i was born able to have a fulfilling romantic and sexual relationship with my wife and nobody is harmed.

    I've no sympathy for him ultimatel because of the harm caused, but I'd hate if expressing my sexual orientation was inherently, necessarily harmful to someone else.



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  • #1092
    dublinman1990
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    If Huw Edwards was staying in the hotel in Windsor around the time of Prince Philip's funeral; you have to wonder what would the hotel management & staff who worked there would say about Edwards when he stayed there at that time when the Covid regulations were still being enforced by the Tory Government in the UK.

    If the hotel in question had released a formal statement to Police to say that Huw Edwards had acted inappropriately towards the hotel staff while he stayed there around the time of Prince Philip's funeral; it would increase the likelihood to us that he was not known as a nice customer towards them. I don't know how we would react if they say Huw was a gentleman towards the staff. That would be bizarre to say the least.



  • #1093
    Oscar_Madison
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458143#Comment_122458143

    I don’t think anyone could advocate that the theory of Covid being the “cause” with any great persuasion- it’s really come about because it was emphasised by his wife amongst others when the first investigation came about that he suffered deep depression throughout the covid period - as if that’s an excuse to pay a 17 year old 1000s for naked pictures.



  • #1094
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Lockdown might have been a catalyst for him to act out thoughts that he previously managed to suppress or not act on,but ultimately he still had a choice- boredom and depression is no excuse.



  • #1095
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,523 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458367#Comment_122458367

    Why do people tend to conflate an explanation with an excuse?

    I've no idea if lockdown caused him to act on his predilection. Have any actual experts offered an opinion?



  • #1096
    nacho libre
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458387#Comment_122458387

    I was referring to his wife citing lockdown

    It's human nature if you are very close to the person to try to find a mitigating factor- it was out of character etc

    I have not seen any experts say what was the spur for him to do it.



  • #1097
    batman75
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    Only Huw Edwards knows why he has a sexual inclination towards pornographic pictures of children. His paying for pictures of an adult male 30 years his junior was creepy. But the latest revelations of possessing graphic paedophillia is deeply disturbing. He had the most vile categories on images on his computer.

    I have wondered whether people start off on regular porn. As time goes on they require even more hardcore material to get their pleasure. Maybe this led to his going down the route of seeking child porn. Does the desire for sexual release overcome any moral scruples. Does the person feel guilty after?

    As child porn is correctly deemed socially repugnant, we'll never know the true extent to the interest among adults in it. From what we know so far he didn't have any physical interaction with children but it's still abuse to 'enjoy' material which required the abuse of children to be made.

    He was a consummate news anchor. But also in possession of a truly deviant mind. Tragic situation for all concerned.



  • #1098
    political analyst
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458463#Comment_122458463

    The criminality is not dependent on whether the offender has a sexual interest in children. Given that Edwards had told the man he got the images from that he did not want illegal images, I guess that this is a case of a married father who is a latent homosexual.

    Possession of indecent images of children isn't as simple as you may think - as can be seen in the following case.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceq3xw37jdqo



  • #1099
    JP Liz V1
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    The teenager speaks

    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/showbiz-tv/huw-edwards-scandal-teen-breaks-29669342

    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #1100
    extra-ordinary_
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122454801#Comment_122454801

    Yes, God forbid we have a discussion like adults…



  • #1101
    sligeach
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122441554#Comment_122441554

    BBC asks Huw Edwards to return more than £200,000

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clynjvve0gvo

    And rightly so.



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  • #1102
    Leg End Reject
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122484725#Comment_122484725

    At this stage he might as well refuse, he can't sink any lower in people's estimation.

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




  • #1103
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,523 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Can't hurt to ask. I gather they have no legal route to demand he give it back. Likewise he's under no obligation to give it back.

    So legally there's no right or wrong answer. Morally the answer is obvious but we'll see what happens



  • #1104
    Leg End Reject
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122484891#Comment_122484891

    I don't think Huw will ne remembered for his morals, there's no way back for him so no incentive for him to repay it.

    The BBC really need to put a clause in their contacts to allow money to be recouped in cases like this. It's galling that he was being paid with charges for paedophilia pending.

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




  • #1105
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,523 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485386#Comment_122485386

    I doubt it's that simple. Everyone is presumed innocent unless found guilty in court. So they stopped paying him the moment he was found guilty.

    If you mean they could put in a clause that they can recoup some pay from the time they're taken off air because of the charges if they'refound guilty, then fair enough.

    It Wouldn't be likely to happen because it's not industry standard and would make them less competitive in contract negotiations.



  • #1106
    amandstu
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485556#Comment_122485556

     Wouldn't be likely to happen because it's not industry standard and would make them less competitive in contract negotiations

    I wouldn't think it would make them very much less competitive.How many prospective employees would feel it might apply to them?

    And those who did feel that way might be no great loss.

    Unless the clause applied to being convicted of any crime ...there would be more people who fell into those categories ,perhaps.

    Also it is petty to worry about the money when the crime in this instance seems to be far more consequential than someone's wages even if they are much higher than average wages.

    I don't personally feel galled in the slightest and I doubt the BBC cares but it is a stick to hold over them and they need to be seen to "care".



  • #1107
    political analyst
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    Was it never possible for the BBC to put suspended employees on reduced pay pending the outcomes of court cases or of disciplinary proceedings?

    After all, here in Ireland, a garda who is suspended is on reduced pay and it's probably the same with UK police officers who are suspended.

    It's as if BBC management were still afraid of Edwards even when they had already suspended him.



  • #1108
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,523 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485692#Comment_122485692

    If it's so obvious and harmless, why don't all broadcast companies do it? Why don't all workplaces do it, including yours?

    Fact Is, they don't. So imposing any new clauses like that is an issue of competitiveness. The margins are really tight at the sharp end of showbiz. They already have some challenges thst come with being a national broadcaster, including, having to publish wages for top paid people. Other broadcasters would consider that a big imposition.

    My work has allowed me to see a little bit behind the curtain at BBC. They're already under a lot of restrictions which are anti-competitive. You could argue they should add another restriction to their competitiveness, but don't be surprised when they push back.



  • #1109
    El_Duderino 09
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    Depends on his contract. I'm fine with the presumption of innocence unless proved guilty. Anyone can be accused of anything.

    I get why peole are making a big deal out of this, but it's actually an example of a good rule which has an outcome that feels wrong in this specific instance.

    I'd just be grown up about it and move on. They've asked him kindly to give them some money back, if he wants to. And that's as much as he can do..



  • #1110
    Oscar_Madison
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,619 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Some weeks on from the story, and while there are stories from former work colleagues around his arrogance there’s not a lot more - this all seems to be quite recent behaviour - very strange for a man in his late 50s to start what he did



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  • #1111
    political analyst
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    A young man who has accused Edwards of sexually assaulting him has been interviewed by the Mail.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13746473/BBC-Huw-Edwards-news-sexual-assault.html



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