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Kilkenny GAA Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭mooz


    Fitzgibbon is a top class competition and traditionally is the starting point for many to kick on and become IC players. The coaching is usually excellent and there's a great bond among players playing the competition. Look at the winners the last few years, a big number of players have gone on to win All-Irelands with Clare and Limerick. The decline in the number of Kilkenny players making teams has been an issue for quite some time. If players are good enough, they'll make the Fitzgibbon team in any college or university regardless of where they are from, remember they want to win too!

    Was at Tullaroan match last night. Great win for them, their goalie Paul Buggy MoM and you won't see a better display over the weekend. Huge heart and workrate won it for them, Mossy, John Walton and the Walshs very good. Dicksboro missed 4/5 guilt edged goal chances which would have been the spark they needed to kick on. Harry Shine looked very good and on another day could have scored 2-4 from play. Kevin Moore scored 4 points too. Michael Ryan from Waterford coaching Tullaroan too, a top class coach by all accounts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 436 ✭✭Alonzo Moseley


    Fitzgibbon was a good breeding ground for intercouny hurlers for about 10-12 years from early 2000's till a few years ago.

    It peaked about 10-12 years ago when the Limerick colleges in particular took it deadly serious and a lot of the best and worst of modern hurling tactics and coaching evolved there.

    Before that, it wasnt a factor at all, and I believe it will return to that.

    I'm not worried in the slightest about how few Kilkenny hurlers we have on UL, MICE, UCG and UCC, we have never had large numbers at these colleges.

    Young Kilkenny hurlers will get far better prepartion playing top class hurling senior and intermediate club in next three months than slogging their guts out on **** pitches (or worse still artificial ones) in Jan and Feb.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,095 ✭✭✭blackcard


    A few matches including Glenmore v Bridge postponed until Tue evening. Little over 3 day turnaround until second matches for these teams



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    Kevin Moore actually scored 5pts from play yesterday. Boro still have a very young team.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    As far as I counted it the Boro had 8 goal chances they missed or were saved. Paul Buggy shouldn't have to buy a drink this weekend in Tullaroan he was great for them after a hard start to the game. Mossy was excellent throughout and Pádraig stood up when really needed. I'm sure they'll be a small bit concerned how they were cut open so many times at the back but they showed Greta heart and fight throughout and brought great physicality that the Boro could handle but didn't replicate.

    There are a good few still away or injured for the Boro and many of those playing last night were either just back from abroad or injury and it showed in what I would usually expect from them. They are a young team and everyday out will bring them on but adding in Buckley and Evan Cody to the back 6 will hopefully tighten that up. The Boro for years have gone unbeaten in the League and winning League titles, I'd prefer to see the build towards Championship rather than hitting the road running. Good displays from Rowe, K Moore, M Kelliher and Shine. The next day will be tough again with more lads missing but as long as they keep improving I'd be happy. At least they were making goal chances. The day they get them all will be a hard day for another team. The will have to up their intensity and aggression against the top teams and I felt they played too much short passing for the slippery and slick conditions last night, Tullaroan we're ruthless and punished them everytime the Boro weren't clinical.

    If Tullaroan can keep up the type of performance going forward they will do well in the League this year and should push far into the championship. They will have to tighten up at the back a bit or Paul Buggy will have to be the hero everyday.

    OLG comfortably ahead at half time 9 up against Clara who had the wind in the first half. Missing Paddy Deegan too, F Mackessy hasn't lit it up so far but is probably creating space for the other forwards with the need to watch him. Luke Hogan scored and created their goals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    Interesting that your going all in to play down the value of the Fitzgibbon but when people question the value of Kierans success of the last decade your the biggest defender. If see the the likes of Mark Rodgers and Geraoid O'Connor talking about it this year its valued hugely by the players involved, if anyone needs to see the standard in recent times just look up the UL team that won it in 2018.

    *replying to Alonzos post we didn't show for whatever reason*



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    The Boro team often don't get old, usually they have a young team as there is usually lots of young lads coming through and for some reason the lads tend to finish up at a younger age than many other clubs.

    Last night by my count 9 of the Boro starters were 18-22. 3 were making their senior debut and a further 5 who had 1 full year under their belt. Looking at the options on the bench where 10 of the 12 on the bench under 20. If they want to make it at this level their going to have to grow up quick but there is little doubt last nights team was a young team, unless you think the above makes them harden old warriors for the road at senior level in Kilkenny?



  • Registered Users Posts: 436 ✭✭Alonzo Moseley


    Im not questioning the standard of players, playing Fitzgibbon, I'm questioning its value as a competition in 2024?

    What does it add?

    The UL 2018 team was a total pisstake, pretty much an entire team made up of established top class inter county players and All ireland medalists, some of them (Tony Kelly, John Mc Grath, Jason Forde) already in their mid 20s, the rest mostly 22/23.

    UL didnt make these players, they were already made.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭Hurlingtothebone


    Very poor for UCC are you for real. When UCC took him off they went completely out of the game. Obviously watching a different game. Your problem with Joe Fitz on this forum is a joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Village87


    Loads of time for him to stand out at club level. How did he play today ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭Hurlingtothebone


    Very True for him and all the young players. Hopefully they all go well.g



  • Registered Users Posts: 436 ✭✭Alonzo Moseley


    He played very well at midfield for 40 mins and looks in great nick, but was anonymous in last 20 mins.

    Standard of Conahy v Dunamaggin was excellent, would be senior level in almost any other county

    Village very ragged today (Thomastown looked comfortable even before the two reds), and surely will be happy to stay mid division this year and blood some good young players.

    Not sure Zach Bay Hammond will ever make it at senior IC but his hurling is definitely improving.

    The Clubber coverage is incredible and could get me divorced!



  • Registered Users Posts: 370 ✭✭droppingball


    Likewise don't think I have ever watched as much hurling in two days, roll on tomorrow.

    Dicksboro short passing was to feet at times, expected more from them but reckon they will come good. Great heart from Tullaroan and some nice scores thrown in.

    O loughlins didn't really have to hit top gear to beat Clara. Owen Wall looked very dangerous when he got on ball.

    Thomastown moved the ball well and looked like they could have won by more, tucker hanrahan and stephen donnelly looked lively up front, looked like bad injury to Jay Burke who will be a huge loss.

    Village might be few forwards short but Cian Kenny is a proper player and was very good on the ball but needed more help. Won't get easier for them with the boro next week, ttown and the bridge will be a cracker.

    Great to have the club stuff back.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    I thought John Donnelly had a huge game for Thomastown today 4pts from play and contributed so many other scores as well. I thought they could have won by more if they had played a few low balls in front of their forwards ,they kept putting in high ball. I also thought the forwards bar JD were nervy enough and didn’t have confidence in there own abilities this will surely bring them on today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    unbelievable , i have been keeping tabs on the waterford and tipp hurling championships the last few weeks the start of the kilkenny championship is going to be problematic for the next 6 or 8 weeks and i only watched the dicksboro v tullaroan game last night ,

    standard is very high in kilkenny on the basis of last night



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Village87


    The senior and Intermediate championships look very open this year. All of a sudden there must be 7/8 team in senior that think they have a chance. Village, Shamrocks, Boro not as strong as once was and OLG could be beaten on there day as a lot of teams do not fear them. Great to see an open championship, teams like Tullaroan, Thomastown, Mullinavat, Ballycallan, Bennetsbridge could beat the big 3 on any given day.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    Are you including the Village in the big three?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    KK in 2014 we had five top class free takers Henry,TJ,Richie Power,Richie Hogan and Eoin Larkin.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭jamesbond2022


    I think Mullen Cody or Donnelly can all be top class free takers for Kilkenny given time and practise I suppose they have never had to take them on a regular basis due to they club having good free takers

    Similar to Henry taking over from dj and Tj taking over from Henry the baton will be passed on from Tj



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    but surely they should have someone in mind that would be sharing the frees at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Village87




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Marrooned




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,095 ✭✭✭blackcard


    OLG look the strongest to me. Not sure how many of the Ballyhale lads are going to be back and Kenny and Gaffney will be a loss to the Boro. Thomastown brought big support to their match, their home match next week against the Bridge should be good. Glenmore were missing Alan Murphy, Ian Byrne and Ger Aylward didn't start today but I thought they were poor. Bridge looked good but hit a lot of wides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Neewollah


    Clubber coverage has been excellent this week. Great to be able to look back through all the games at your leisure if you buy the weekly or yearly pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Village87


    Any real stand outs ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    It's valued highly by those involved both players and management, it should be valued by intercounty managers and I think most do as it's the highest standard in GAA outside of intercounty, so if you want to see if lads in your panel can mix it then it's an excellent breeding ground.

    You don't value it because with due respect judging by your posts you mindset is very insular towards Kilkenny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Neewollah


    From the games I was at/watched on clubber:

    OLG - Eoin Wall

    Boro - Harry Shine, Kevin Moore

    Tullaroan - Paul Buggy, Mossy

    Thomastown - Stephen Donnelly

    Bennettsbridge - Timmy Kelly, Sean Morrissey, Liam Blanchfield

    Glenmore - Cathal Beirne

    GBC - Sean Ryan

    St Martins - Sean Hunt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    it’s good to see Sean hunt up there I think he’s a prospect.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 48 lob it in


    Went to three matches over the weekend:OLG and Clara-Olg looked very impressive moved the ball well and got some nice scores, Wall and Hogan done a lot of damage in the full forward line. Although they never looked like winning the game Clara had a good spirit about them and never gave up.

    Thomastown and Village:I thought Thomastown fully deserved their win and I think they would've won even without the sending offs, John Donnelly was class,Village look a bit limited, be interesting to see how Thomastown get on for the rest of the year.

    Bennetsbridge and Glenmore :Disappointing game purley because Glenmore were very poor they were missing four or five of their better players to be fair.Bridge look very good and could be a dark horse for the championship this year,they were very unlucky not to get to the final last year.

    On a side note I thought the refereeing in the three games was very good.And the spreading out of the times of matches gives people a good opportunity to take in a few more matches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    ye but not at noon on a Saturday. On the beer last night a lot of rumours still that all three managers back in place, no one was happy not one person, if it was a survey the county board would lose by a 99.9% margin. From what I heard all three managers will be reinstated but there may be changes in the backroom teams



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,095 ✭✭✭blackcard


    I thought Jordan Molloy and Luke Hogan did well for OLG. Luke not afraid to take his man on. Paul Cody for Clara. John Donnely Thomastown. No one stood out for me in Vegas Comer match, Comer in particular were poor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭conor05


    I see Fionan Mackessy of OLG won the Poc Fada up the Cooley mountains today for the 2nd year running.


    Clara’s Killian Phelan gave it a good effort by all accounts too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    I couldn’t get any info on Killian. Congratulations to Fionan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Nedflanders02


    There's a county board meeting tonight, won't be at it myself (on holidays) but if all 3 are back they will more than likely be ratified tonight. I don't think there was ever much doubt that Lyng would be back, a little surprised if Bergin is coming back but as someone mentioned on this thread before with most of the team underage again next year there is logic in not changing, although personally I'd have made a change. If Dowling is back it really will be a big surprise, I don't think he's done enough to warrant another year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    I don’t know how people think that Bergin is a better manager than Dowling, Bergin has 6 years on the job between manager and selector. No matter what people say Mark Dowling was certainly hampered in the two years he was manager, with Billy Drennan taken the first year and Killian Doyle the second year. Personally i wouldn’t have either of them , but I would have Dowling ahead of Bergin anyday of the week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Stationmaster




  • Registered Users Posts: 32 upnorth


    I agree totally that Mark Dowling was hampered by circumstances. So why not give him another year?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    two questions

    1/ Are the county board to ratify the management teams tonight.

    2/ If they do not agree what happens then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭JJs Left Hand


    I don't think picking essentially the same half back line with the same obvious weaknesses 2 years running and then not recognising those weaknesses were being specifically targeted until too late in the two games they lost is good enough at that level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭JJs Left Hand


    Confirmed they've all been ratified with management teams TBC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Village87


    Don't get me started on the u20 shambles last 2 years . That u20 team was picked around Christmas time last year. Form, fitness, pace did not matter. Disgraceful carry on, and disgraceful that Dowling is allowed back in, shameful carry on. I suppose I'm not surprised with the carry on and poison politics in Kilkenny the last 10 years



  • Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭Pigeon Chaser


    Bergin didn't deserve another year after the failure in the AIF



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    and you have nothing to say on the Bergin appointment?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    The minor final was one of our darkest days no question about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Neewollah


    As i mentioned in a previous post Bergin was always going to be given another year. Its by far the most successful year he's had over the team. IMO he should have been moved on last year after a few poor years for our minors but whatever the County Board review system is, if he survived the previous years reviews, he was always going to survive this year.

    Under 21s, I don't have a huge issue with Dowling staying in place. While yes, some selection mistakes were made many things were done to hamper him too of which the senior management need to answer for.

    Lyng was never in doubt but he needs to clean house and start with awhole.new panel. I saw a lot of club games this weekend and the standard is excellent. There are plenty of hurlers out there worth a shot if managed correctly and given a proper chance. Better than some on the current panel who are either gone past it or who have never been proven themselves for their clubs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    county board meeting, proposed, seconded and carried, no vote for the members this is a **** joke a dictatorship. Why wasn’t there a competition formed for the three jobs and go through a selection process this was a lazy way out and then they will tell us that nobody went for the jobs. I am absolutely fuming. This is certainly after taking the sheen off of Kellie’s gold for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 230 ✭✭KK36


    There is the scope for a vote but in order to do that somebody has to say that there are against the proposal.

    1. The Chairman says they are putting x forward for y position.
    2. Somebody (normally from x's club) formally proposes x for the position.
    3. Somebody else from the floor seconds the proposal.
    4. The option to disagree with the motion is with the delegates. Any opposition will trigger a vote on the proposal.
    5. If there is no opposition to the proposal x is deemed ratified.

    The fact that all three were ratified suggests to me that there was no opposition from the delegates to any of them.



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