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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,292 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Kamala's laugh really bothers Trump. The magician, Penn Gillette from Penn and Teller, who appeared on a season of Celebrity Apprentice, noted that he never saw Trump laugh sincerely.

    It's another one of those things which hurts him a bit because while Kamala might laugh a bit too much, it keeps a lighter image in contrast to Trump who comes across as kind of deadpan and serious in addition to old and weird.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Accepting a debate on fox sort of corners Harris, an unsympathetic network. To refuse it would reverse the taunts but Trump will probably not accept a network switch even if Harris suggests one (even though his offer is effectively a network switch).

    This is probably why the Harris team have yet to accept.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,499 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It seems all Harris has to do is sue Fox for something (per trumps reasoning…).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,933 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    On fox…with fox hosts mediating…with an audience…no mention of off-buttons on mics. She is not going to accept all that, even if she accepts any of it. Still plenty to work on, random audience for example, change date by a couple of days - till after his sentencing (though if he gets any sort of sentence that puts things off till after the election he will be smug), insist on mic mute , after all if he is not going to interrupt why would he care? Or accept it all on condition of another debate shortly after under original rules.

    Come to think of it, if she just got him started on court cases he would be so hyped up by the sentencing he would rant for an hour and she wouldn't have to say anything.

    Of course if she just accepted it all and between the crowd shouting and him ranting and the mediators taking his side its going to be obviously the s show that he wants - which will only entertain his base, who are irrelevant. She is strong enough to cope and could easily come out with the high moral ground to everyone else watching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,292 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Trump wanting to move the debate to Fox News would indicate to me that he or his campaign feel that the advantage is slipping at an uncomfortable rate, and want a very partisan environment for a showdown.

    However, the last time Trump did a debate at Fox, it didn't go so well as the moderator, Chris Wallace, called it down the middle, leaving Trump furious.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,973 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    The debate is not mandatory. Harris could say she has accepted ABC's offer, and if Trump doesnt want to attend, he doesnt have to. She could have a debate of 1 on ABC and Trump could go to Fox on the same night. The viewing figures, could be more accurate than any poll.

    While ABC's anchor will be asking Harris about her plans for immiration, Fox's anchor will be asking Trump about his golf handicap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,292 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I think that they should go head to head at least once, but with Fox News and their current roster of anchors, I'm struggling to find one who could still be considered neutral and would ask tough questions of both candidates.

    This piece, written shortly after Wallace's departure, ranks Geraldo Rivera as the most neutral (or 'least despicable', rather) host on the network at the time of the article's writing. Though some of that seems to stem from his penchant for contrary argument with other Fox News hosts as opposed to being an even-handed newsman of the old Walter Cronkite mould.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,973 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    With Fox moderators what is the point in them debating? Trump going on a rant for 5 minutes about whatever comes into his head? While Harris tries to say something useful. It'd be a waste of time.

    I'd be more interested in a VP debate.



  • Posts: 832 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So is this is how it's going to go down?

    Of course it will be Fox News, Trump can only win by cheating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,292 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If Trump agrees to terms on mic mutes and so on, he won't be able to rant for five minutes. Trump didn't seem unhappy with the mic mute rule on CNN, so there is no credible reason why he should reject it now.

    Besides, the last thing Trump's team want is him ranting off-script, especially in the scenario where Kamala winds him up. Far too much chance of blurting something out that costs him another percentage point in crucial swing states.



  • Posts: 832 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I suspect there will be another assassination attempt in Pennsylvania but I don't think it will be Donald who will be getting shot at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,292 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Another thing from that NABJ interview that went kind of unnoticed - Trump says 'Kamala' correctly. I like how there was the awareness to do that, but not the awareness not to lay into her about her mixed race background. The former was probably campaign team advice, knowing he'd be pulled up on saying, 'Ka-*mah*-la' like usual, but the latter was just a Trump original that left staffers watching through barely separated fingers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I’m pretty sure I heard him say it incorrectly also



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,973 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    All thats been said is rules will be similar, no mention of mutes on mics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    If Harris accepts this, without changing any of the conditions, it would paint her as incredibly weak.

    It's beyond the beyond that the Republicans did this. I hope to God that Kamal keeps the ABC Slot open and empty chairs Trump.

    And also, her campaign should sue Fox and the Trump campaign if they actually agreed to a debate with no input from the Harris team and then publicised it like she was in agreement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump's plan for 'tax free social security and tips' turns out to be a massive gift for the wealthy.

    Unless you earn so much per year to start with, these earnings already don't contribute to your tax burden (eg. waiters and waitresses). But now eg. a hedge fund manager could reclassify most of their earnings as 'tips' and get a tax break worth hundreds of thousands of dollars:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,292 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Feels like the cultural ground has shifted a bit since Trump first came to political prominence in 2016. As Harris has herself said, 'the same old story' with Trump, who has no new angle or new rhetoric to push. He'd be the most beatable of any Republican candidate if the Democrats hadn't been so set in getting in their own way by first getting behind the never-very-popular Hillary Clinton, who acted as if the presidency was her birthright and now to Joe Biden, who was clearly too frail for the campaign trail.

    Even with Harris, they're probably doing about the bare minimum they can get away with in order to possibly beat Trump. If they had candidates in the wings who really got the youth vote excited, it would barely even be a contest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,844 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Good old Trump fleeing with his tail between his legs for the ABC debate

    Do we know what the format of the Fox News Debate is? For example will the mics be muted?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    There won't be one, especially before the 10th September. It'll be an interview with Trump. Guarantee it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭nachouser




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,933 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Well it looks as though Trump didn't challenge Harris, he just agreed with Fox, she really doesn't have to respond at all.

    The NYT is a rag.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭erlichbachman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,292 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I watched Donald Trump, as sitting president of the USA, stand in front of a crowd of his angry supporters and once again perpetrate a baseless conspiracy theory about the 2020 election which he lost, before dispatching them to the Capitol, and doing the bare minimum to distance himself from the violence which ensued.

    A distance he has since doubled back on by referring to all of those who participated in Jan 6 as 'hostages'.

    There isn't actually any amount of snippets you can take of Kamala Harris which adds up to that. Simple as.

    So Twitter user A, there, can f- off with her big sneery head, as can Twitter user B.

    The enablers of Trump have done a decent job of equivocating and normalising over these last three years, but no amount of edgey commentary on their part will change the facts.

    No comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    I cant disagree that x user A has a big sneery head, but off script Kamala seems as dumb as a box of rocks, can you really see this woman leading the most powerful nation in the world?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Trump can show up at the agreed scheduled debate and prove you right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    From what I can see he doesn't even need to, she appears to be achieving it all by herself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,292 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I can see her leading it better than Trump can, certainly.

    If you want to see a supercut of all the mad, ignorant or plain stupid things that Trump has said in the last ten years or so, I'm sure someone here could furnish you with one. The problem with the man is that you're almost paralysed by choice when putting one together.

    So Trump would certainly overwhelming lose on the 'stupid things said' metric you're posing, in addition to cheerleading January 6th and the perpetration of various other insane conspiracy theories.

    But, yes, a woman who doesn't know about cloud computing is somehow worse or even equivalent to a man who openly professed a baseless conspiracy theory about the election he fairly lost, and cheerleaded a riot/attack on the US Capitol.

    It's just tiresome, really.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,933 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I really doubt that we will see the United Nations General Assembly laughing at her.



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