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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,197 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles




  • Registered Users Posts: 27,335 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Coolock says No Surrender - the modern day Blue Shirts. March under the Union Jack.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Real high-brow debating going on here as usual



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Irish “patriots” standing side by side extreme British loyalists in Ireland with union jacks. They’ve been accused of being in bed with them for ages now with all their links to them and coupling up with people who protest against British soldiers being tried for murdering Irish civilians. So patriotic.

    At least they've finally summoned the courage to come out of the closet and here was me thinking they were against pride marches. Next they’ll be knocking one out for Cromwell. Embarrassing



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,335 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    It's hilarious, these self proclaimed 'Irish patriots' have shown their arse to the world. They're the worst kind of boot-licking West Brits.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    But most of the Patriots are disaffected former SF members and voters,they would already have had strong links with loyalists from the days when the provies and loyalists divided up the drug trade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    He had a good pop off taxing the banks, when is he going to mention Apple tax?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    My main criticism of SF's plan to deal with AS:

    They seem to want to manage the existing number of applications, and they don't seem to want to reduce the number the applications.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Never thought I'd see the day our migrant crisis would have unionists and loyalists marching together in Belfast and London. Strange times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,286 ✭✭✭emo72


    Always thought "nasty racist" was a weird one. As opposed to your commoner garden type of racist? I think the slur "racist" is losing it's meaning because it's been used to much.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It's not an anecdote that coolock and edenmore, where I lived, where very nationalist pro-IRA areas and would often have banners out for hunger strikers on the malahide road, anyone from around there could attest to that



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,516 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Mod

    I see sheep thread banned

    Can we stay on topic please and be civil to one another, report any abusive posts, don't engage please.

    Post edited by Sephiroth_dude on


  • Registered Users Posts: 129 ✭✭whatever.


    And how many do you propose we admit under your proposals



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭billyhead


    These same people would have Palestinian flags out their window.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,173 ✭✭✭mistersifter


    You think we should "waive immigration requirements at foreign ports"? Right, let's see. A passport is an immigration requirement. So, youre implying that anyone who shows up to a foreign port without a passport should be allowed on the plane because they say they are claiming asylum at their destination? And you see no issue with this?

    By the way, a passport is an immigration requirement AS WELL AS a security requirement. You say we are not waiving security requirements. So then, are we waiving the passport requirement or not?

    Regarding your point, "they can apply for asylum if they meet the criteria". Isn't everyone in the world able to apply for asylum? Isn't that the basis of your own argument? So are we no longer accepting asylum applications from certain people then under your plan? Who are these people?

    You state, "if they don't qualify, they don't enter" Europe? So where are they waiting while they apply if they are already in Europe at this point?

    And you think "restrictions to entering the workforce" will deter people from abusing your proposed system whereby anyone can travel to Europe and bypass immigration rules simply by stating they wish to claim asylum at their destination. Remember, you're talking about people who are willing to lie about an asylum claim. Do you think they have a problem working illegally? This is not much of a deterrent.

    In summary, once again your points make absolutely no sense and demonstrate a basic lack of understanding about immigration controls or ability to identify contradictions in your own arguments.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    These are the ramblings of someone with absolutely no handle of the situation on the ground in the Republic of Ireland.

    GDP means absolutely nothing to any individual Irish person and has been proven to be massively inflated by company profits funneld through the country to avail of our preferable corporation tax rate.

    “Forget about subtractions” - oh okay, let’s pretend we are all swimming in it as it furthers the bonker agenda at play here.

    We are so rich, but a large(and increasing) cohort of 20-35 year olds are still living at home, renting at insane rents or getting ready to head off to Australia - mega wealthy, sure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭Rain Spreading From The West


    The “Coolock say no” banner plus the tricolour were mingling with the Union Jack up in Belfast today. Never thought any ideology on this island could bring them together. The power of fascism eh……



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    How long are you going to keep trying to turn this into something about letting undocumented people onto planes?

    As I've made clear sooooooo many times, we can waive our immigration requirements while airlines keep their security requirements. People would still need passports to board planes unless airlines replaced this with some other measure.

    As far as I understand people can be refused entry to the state even if they claim asylum on certain grounds. I'm pretty sure it includes if they've already been refused asylum or present a security risk.

    People get refused entry to countries all around Europe, including Ireland all the time. It's what border control at airports etc are for.

    There are already a multitude of ways people can, and do, come here if they wish to work illegally.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Muslims are your 'enemy' now???

    Things change quickly.

    Tbh nobody really bought the 'we're not racists, this is about services' routine anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭Repro212


    Indeed, the EU, FFG and that Antifa mob could just as easily be described as fascist with their dictatorial behaviour and attempts to forcibly suppress free speech and alternative points of view.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭dublin49


    lots of toing and froing on here but this is the main issue,recently a poll suggested that 70% of the electorate feel the Government are mishandling/are not doing enough to properly manage the the current unprecedented levels of immigration.

    Now at the the next election if you feel this is the main issue for you and you want to use you vote to emphasis democratically your desire for a change in direction on this issue who can you vote for to give effect to this desire.

    There is no democratic way for the electorate to vote to change the cosy woke consensus of the main political parties.

    So unless the political Parties start reflecting the wishes of their supporters and stop lecturing us about the way they think we should be viewing this issue there is the risk that the electorate will feel unrepresented with all the inherent risks attached to that scenario.

    In Denmark the centre ground parties listened to the electorate ,changed their policies and disarmed the extremist groups.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    So we add to pull factors then, what do you think the net result of that will be?



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