Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

So if it's all a spite match between the IBA and the WBO, what is the significance of the Vice President of the WBO saying they have had concerns about Khelif (and FOUR others) being male for 2 years now?

(I realise he is also Hungarian, but if he reported this to the IOC in 2022, as he claims, then while his reasons for making it public now may well be nationalistic, that does not discredit it. Especially as he says there were five boxers who failed the sex tests at that time.)

I will add its not universal support for Khalif at World Boxing, the captain CAITLIN PARKER of the australian team has also been reported (at least by the telegraph) to be against Khalif participating and she is on the world boxing committee.

not from what I've seen, she got a few clean jabs in, but so did the other boxer.

That's where that bit about being a man helps.

Something the IOC have accidentally confirmed by the way, when they said this:

Because he's now admitted it IS a DSD case (and not transgender) then that means that the athletes concerned have a DSD that is male-specific. Because if their DSD had been a female specific one, they would not have failed the chromosome test.

And also: in case anyone harbours any notions of the IOC caring about women's safety, or somehow being even slightly "good guys" in all this:

That was the generation of swimmers that Sharron Davies was competing against - the East Germans and the Russians. She, like Martina Navratilova and a number of other female athletes know what they're talking about.

interesting seeing mixed relays in the running and swimming today….

I'm beginning to feel you are being silly now

I gave you a direct link to World Boxing website

https://worldboxing.org/about/

You've gone now and grabbed yet another organization which you could literally put into google and see it takes you to completely different website

https://www.wbaboxing.com

And maybe think 'hmm maybe these are not the same organisation'

I mean it's silly how many groups have taken on variant of World and Boxing.

But I gave you a direct link. A simple google would have cleared this up for you.

Because as far as I am aware World Boxing Association doesnt want to run olympic boxing and is not in the running. World Boxing is (the one I linked) they're the ones who have it as part of their goals and were the ones setting up events last year and are currently at the olympics as observers.

As far as I can find World Boxing Association has made no statement saying they want to run the olympics boxing events going forward. I cant even find any statement from them about 2024 olympics.

I've found articles pre 2020 olympics where they said they wanted to be involved

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1079682/wba-throws-hat-into-ring-to-help-organise-olympic-boxing-competition-at-tokyo-2020

and one in 2018 where they tried to position themselves as the centre of boxing

https://fightnews.com/the-wba-opens-its-doors-to-olympic-boxing/25330

But post 2020 they appear to have said nothing on the matter.

I'll happily take a read of an article that says they are still actively trying to pursue the matter, but they're not the World Boxing group the IBA is picking a fight. So I dont understand the relevence of pointing this out?

Just trying to sort out in my mind who's who. I don't follow boxing as a rule (though I am interested in women's sport in general, and certain sports in particular, just not combat sports).

The point that I'm now unclear on is whether another group than the IBA has also said that Imane Khelif is male or whether the IBA is somehow part of the WBO, in which case this might be just a repetition of the previous info.

whatever will stop the sht show of this olympics , women's events should only be for XX , and as there is no super male genetics that I am aware of no need to test for male genetics just whatever drug rules there are, seems a simple enough issue that can be cleared up.

Intersex is the older term for DSD, disorders of sexual development, so I suppose the answer to that is yes.

However the reason that "intersex" is no longer the medical term of choice is because it is misleading. Those affected are not "between" the two sexes. Instead, there's a set of different DSDs, some of which affect males, others only females.

Caster Semenya's DSD (which it's suggested Khelif may also have) is called 5-ARD: little boys suffering from it may appear to be baby girls upon inspection at birth (one of the rare instances where sex can genuinely be mistakenly assigned, though oddly this seems to no longer be a thing for the TRAs, who insist that Khelif was "born a woman" rather than AFAB!).

However as boys with 5-ARD have functioning internal testes, at puberty they undergo all the changes of male puberty, and the diagnosis is generally made by then if not before.

IOW Semenya is male. We know this because his appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas) publishes its judgments. (He has also fathered children.) Since Khelif's appeal was withdrawn before the CAS gave its judgment, the 5-ARD diagnosis has not been confirmed, but one may guess why the appeal was withdrawn, and why no new test was carried out if IBA corruption was suspected.

So they are of the i …….

Wasn't planning on this, but surprisingly my attention has been pushed towards the LGBTQi, as it seems that the i comes under their umbrella for "inclusion" and/or intersex. This (for me) now puts a completely different light on them and as to who & what they really are, with XY chromosomes 🤔.

This Sky News clip caught my eye.

Agreed, its not the doing of the two boxers with DSDs, for I feel sorry for them being caught in the middle of this firestorm. The blame clearly lies with the organisers, the IOC (Mark Adams) and his/their policy of "inclusion" - at any cost. That is, if the Sky report is to believed.

And it wasn't just the drugs: they used to impregnate young teens and abort their pregnancies to get the benefit of the pregnancy hormones.

No handshake and X sign