Anyone else feel ashamed of getting the Covid shots?

Bit of a gish gallop of misinformation and half truths.

Some deception being attempted here:

Why on the one hand are you talking about under 50s… then about "99% of the population"?

99% of the population aren't under 50 are they?

It is an infectious disease. It can spread from the under 50s to the over 50s.

Before vaccines were rolled out, there were major restrictions in place to keep cases down.
Given the number of cases, and hundreds of thousands of people in less vulnerable categories, that would translate to hundreds of people needing hospitalisation.

What were the hospitalisation stats for over 50s?

What was the age demographic in 2020 with the highest number of entries to ICU for Covid?

The number of people in cohorts vulnerable to covid is not 1% of the population, unless you only look at those who died, and not those who survived with hospital treatment. And ignore the figures from the US showing the deaths in vulnerable cohorts, showing what happened when hospital treatment was not there.

That is not the same as saying 99% of the population aren't vulnerable though is it? So that is utterly disingenuous.

All those numbers translate into significant numbers requiring hospital care.

And those are the numbers with restrictions, lockdowns and vaccines.

And nope, that was never the issue, because that was a fantasy. How were all these people and the people they live with to be 'locked down'? How do you lock down healthcare staff that takes public transport to work, and has a kid in school? How do all these people shop or access essential services?
How many people is that you are locking down, and all for it to be possible because they have to take a bus to get to hospital and get exposed in any way.

Very easy to rant about "brainless civil servants" when you can just invent a solution in your head that could never work.

In the height of covid I had no problem get covid shots but wouldn't take one now

That Drivel that Darwin went on about. Your argument may be correct but survival of the fittest is not drivel. It is a cornerstone of evolution.

Indeed. They also died disproportionately.

There is no evidence of that happening in Ireland after the vaccine rollout. If there was we would all know about it.

Proof of this 'data' or it is just anti vax conspiracy theory drivel. And you have a such such garbage anti vax claims already you were unable to stand over on the thread already.

Covid vaccines are vaccines that have saved millions of lives so spare us the anti vax bingo of 'pharma shot'.

Your specific claim does not tally with the UK ONS definitions:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/onsdefinitionofunvaccinated#:~:text=In%20our%20mortality%20statistics%2C%20someone,of%20the%20COVID%2D19%20vaccination.

I find all these vaccinated break through cases interesting. I am unvaxxed and caught Covid once (3years ago) and once only. Mild and inconsequential. Never got it since . Same with the whole family. If i catch it again and its nasty ill consider a vaccination. Anyone I know who has caught Covid lately is vaxxed. I was under the impression from the narrative when they were forcing out the vax that all the unvaxxed would be dead by now.

I said "There is no evidence of that happening in Ireland after the vaccine rollout. If there was we would all know about it"

So you've no evidence in relation to Ireland judging by your reply.

Then you got the wrong idea, probably because you pulled it out of your ass.

Desperate irrelevent anti vax guff.

There is evidence from Ireland but not the specific statistics demanded.

All documented on the thread:

Evidence showing unvaccinated significantly more likely to have severe outcomes from covid such as ICU admissions from multiple jurisdictions including Ireland.

Evidence from our nearest neighbour the UK whose detailed data gathering demonstrated not just significantly higher risk of death from covid for unvaccinated but also lower all risk mortality risk for vaccinated.

Why dont we have specific figures for Ireland? Because of typical Irish lack of data gathering and because so many in vulnerable groups were vaccinated.

So in the context of this thread no evidence to doubt right choice made in getting vaccinated.

The self righteous attitude on here and distain for any alternate view is stunning.
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

Thats a dead link. I disdain people spreading dangerous misinformation.

Works fine for me. To outline. Dozens of elderly frail patients died after getting the Pfizer shot. Would they have died anyway is the Question. I suppose similiar to the deaths from actual Covid in frail elderly patients. As it was put down to Covid and recorded as a Covid death even though they were on the way out anyway. Its easy to see how the vax would have hastened their demise considering some of the pretty severe side effects that healthy young people got from the vax.

It's not a problem for me, I'm not disputing your statement. I would caution that not everyone who didn't take it thought they would die from it.

Repeating a statement without any supporting evidence doesn't make it more true.

Same nuance here as usual. Take the drugs. The drugs are good. Pharna are good. They are not interested in money. Take the drugs. Whatever you do dont question. We are the scientists. We know better. Take the drugs.

A higher proportion. The easiest get out clause you can get. So whats your take now that an even higher proportion in ICU at the moment are the vaxxed.

Since i received my vaccinations…

I’ve haven’t had symptomatic covid.

I’ve never had any other symptomatic cold / virus. Which is unheard of for me.

I didn’t have any side effects apart from a small bit of noticeable fatigue in the wake of one of the shots. The second I think.

No, I’m not ashamed of being vaccinated, I don’t regret being vaccinated.

Vaccines have worked. There is evidence compiled by and agreed by the most reputable independent sources in virology / healthcare that conclude the vaccines did what they were designed to. Designed to reduce death, serious illness and hospitalisation and getting life back to normal.

Done all that.

Are you trying to suggest they were in the ICU because they didn't take the vaccine. No where in the Irish examiner article does it state that. You still haven't provided any proof. The Government already admitted they could be in there not because of covid but another illness/injury. i.e a car crash etc.