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Aircoach Route Changes and Service Issues

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    There's an article in the Irish Independent today about the new routes and the cancellations where Aircoach has explained them and issued an apology. I have no idea exactly what they have said as it's behind a paywall, but perhaps someone with access could let us know?

    Aircoach has issued an apology and explanation to customers who have reported “insane journey times”, as well as late cancellations and no-shows following the roll-out of additional services on its routes to Dublin Airport from Greystones.

    The private operator had said it was acting in response to growing demand locally and was aiming to “make it even easier for passengers to travel to and from Dublin Airport this summer” with the addition of 65 new services on its Dublin and Greystones routes, including “new stops in key areas”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,694 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Despite all the marketing fanfare, seams the new schedule, really benefits no one but the Aircoach (balance sheet), and the bottom line is they cant deliver on promise, was the old service that bad, new one seams very poorly planned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    They've basically blamed a shortage of drivers which they've used the excuse of being industry wide



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Having read the quotes from Aircoach in that article, I find them disappointing for several reasons in my opinion:

    • They claim there are 65 new services but that in itself is quite misleading, as whilst their may be 65 new services over route 701 and 702, they've cancelled route 703 entirley and cut back the frequency on the 700, so the net number of extra services being provided versus the number before the changes, is considrably less than 65.
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    • They say the route expansions came off the back off local demand and a lot of time and effort that the company has put in, which I don't really agree with. People wanted a more regular service to the airport on the 702/703, that is for sure, I don't think they wanted this new huge unwieldly 702 route that tries and service almost everyone on the outer parts of both the 702/703 routes to the point that they are slower than taking alternative means of transport even if it means changing mode. It also reads like customer blaming.
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    • They are stating that an industry wide shortage of drivers is the problem, yet if that was the case, why did they plan an expansion of services that would need more drivers than before if they couldn't be sure of having the staff to service it? Doesn't make sense unless they were poorly planned or there has been an unpredicted increased level of staff turnover or reduction in driving staff availability that has happened in the last few weeks. If there has been a sudden increased drop off of avaliable driving staff over the past few weeks, surely there must be a reason behind this?
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    • They say that they are comitted to supporting their customers, but they've abandoned their social media presence on Facebook and Instagram in terms of support, stopped providing phone support at weekends, reduced their weekday phone line opening hours and outsourced their customer service to the UK and told people to accept 7+ days as a response time to emails. Actions speak louder than words and their actions betray their words in this area
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    • Lastly they say if customers want to contact them, they should do so via the contact us form. Well in the last few days Aircoach have removed the link to it from the Support section of their website and buried it in their FAQ section under the last FAQ under the title of 'unable to find your answer. It really does suggest they want to try and reduce the number of people who are contacting them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,471 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Sad to say that Aircoach are simply following a pervasive industry trend when it comes to providing anything approaching customer 'support'. An awful lot of websites have removed all traces of a contact e-mail address or phone number.

    Either you're forced to deal with a bot or you fill out a 'contact us' form, press 'submit' and you never hear a thing from them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Chuckleberry


    These people are fresh off the boat when it comes to public transit and are learning the ropes, they do not care about the customers, the staff who have left FNIL will tell you that, if they were interested in customers they wouldn't have flung so many people overboard.

    The pr from the company is laughable, who reads this stuff

    'We're delighted this new service expansion means more passengers can now enjoy a stress-free journey and the increased convenience provided by Aircoach with pick-ups and drop-offs right at the airport door. We're committed to ensuring best-in-class connectivity for local people and visitors alike through the provision of more reliable and convenient public transport options. By adding these 65 new daily services and new stops, we are proud to reinforce our position as Ireland's favourite coach operator"

    The boat has already been rocked too much and it won't be long before the ship has sailed on salvaging the situatio if the unreliability of the service continues. It surely has put wind in the competitions sails they must surely be sailing close to the wind now in many of their loyal customers eyes.

    I would have thought management in the parent would have took the wind out of the sails of the local management by now seeing how this has become but I guess they were all in the same boat at one point so it feels like we're on a slow boat to china in terms of this being resolved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭john boye




  • Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭flyer_query


    @devnull any regrets about your behaviour and posts over the years, you were so excited when the the uk companies came in and how they were going to shake the market up and how indigenous Irish companies were going to learn so much from them. You effectively wore an aircoach hat for years with all the promotion you did for them in here. This was always going to happen when shareholders and short term results are #1, low down the pecking order are the customers and at the complete bottom are employees. Posters who predicted this were shot down / out posted or banned.

    Also explains why this sub forum has about 4 regulars left



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The Irish Independent this morning has an article with the latest on the industrial relations issues at Aircoach, with SIPTU stating that the drivers are 'working under protest' following 'unilaterally imposed major changes to their rosters without agreement' by Aircoach.

    “Our members have been working the duties and rotations enforced on them by the company.

    Siptu representatives are available for discussions on how to resolve the issues related to the unilaterally introduced rosters. The company has decided to curtail some services which it has felt unable to operate under its rostering system. We look forward to having this situation resolved and an agreed roster in place in the immediate term.”

    The article goes on to state that on Friday around up to 54 services were cancelled which included a third of the services on the new Ballsbridge 701 route with substantial long gaps in service being reported, with no buses at all on the route for a large part of Thursday evening.

    Aircoach for their part have continue to maintain the line that the cause of the issues are related to a shortage of drivers which is industry wide and they do not feel they are in breach of their NTA licenses.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Feck off with that nonsense! We have decades of experience of terrible service and costumer support from Irish state owned companies like Bus Eireann!

    I’ll never forget standing outside Tayto Park in the boiling sun with my young child and 20 other people waiting 2 hours for a BE coach that never turned up and calling BE support line that got no answer!

    The service that these companies have brought to Ireland over the past decade is so much better, it isn’t even funny.

    And the ironic thing here, is that Aircoach are facing competition from foreign owned companies kicking their ass. Dublin Express from the UK and Citylink from UK/Singapore, both offering fantastic services and customer support.

    It isn’t a public versus private thing, it is a monopoly thing. If they have a monopoly then you have little choice, BE back in the day with a monopoly we’re just as bad. So bad that they lost key pso licenses for poor service.

    At least with many (but not all) of these Aircoach routes, they have strong competitors who customers can swap too and enjoy a better service. If Aircoach don’t fix things, they may well struggle and eventually be forced to sell or forced out.

    With a state owned monopoly, you as a customer are basically just screwed. What are you going to do!

    I’m very sad to see Aircoach slip like this, they use to be so innovative, I hope they get their act together, but if they don’t someone else will take their place.

    MOD: Also your post is against the rules of boards, attack the post, not the poster. No stupid personal attacked like that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    I think Aircoach are missing a trick with the 702 it goes from Louglintown to Dalkey with no stop big catchment area.

    Could they put a stop on Wyattville road, Church Rd beside the Graduate and one on Avondale road? I’m sure they would pick up more customers with those stops.

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    There were 6 Irizar i6 vehicles delivered to First's Railair operation between Reading and Heathrow Airport over the past few days, I wonder how far off the Aircoach ones are from being delivered.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Aircoach have now confirmed the cancellation of a number of services on routes 700, 701 and 702 for the days ahead.

    • Friday 26th July will see at least 48 services cancelled
    • Saturday 27th July will see at least 50 services cancelled
    • Sunday 28th July will see at least 43 services cancelled.

    A list of the service cancelled so far can be found below

    Note that the number of services being cancelled is likely to increase.

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Aircoach drivers being balloted by SIPTU on Tuesday.

    Drivers working for Aircoach will meet on Tuesday to vote on proposals on rostering and pay after talks between the company and Siptu on Monday. The union is to recommend a pay offer worth 4.8 per cent over nine months and new rostering and rotation arrangements to replace those introduced at the start of July, which have prompted drivers to work “under protest” in recent weeks.

    The company, which is owned by UK operator Firstbus, is understood to have made changes to legacy rostering arrangements but these proved unpopular among many of its 150 drivers. Like many other companies in the sector Aircoach has faced challenges on the recruitment side, and it is hoped the new rostering arrangements combined with the proposed pay increase will help with staffing.

    Aircoach operates a number of routes between Dublin Airport and destinations on the south of Dublin and Greystones, Co Wicklow, as well as longer distance routes to Derry, via Belfast, and Cork. It has had some issues with services in recent weeks, and while the majority operated normally on Monday its website listed 29 cancellations to its Dublin and Wicklow services for Tuesday, a further 28 on Wednesday and 12 on Thursday. Details of affected services can be found here.

    The company described the issues as “temporary”.

    Siptu transport sector organiser Andrew Quigley said he felt both the meeting with the company on Monday and the resulting proposals had been positive “but the members will have their say”.

    The company also operates the buses between the Dublin Airport’s terminals and car parks under a contract with the DAA. About two-thirds of the drivers work on the well-known blue buses.

    In mid-June Aircoach announced a significant increase in frequency on its Dublin and Wicklow routes with 65 additional services daily. The changes are understood to have been linked to the new rosters, and there have been reports of issues with cancellations since then.

    The union says staff worked the shifts they were allocated while talks about the arrangements continued. “The drivers did whatever they were told to but there is a shortage of drivers generally and hopefully this deal, if approved, will put the company in a better position to recruit over the coming months.”

    The company’s Irish operation reported a profit of €1.6 million for the year to March 2023, having sustained a loss of more than €1 million for the previous 12 months. It was badly hit by the impact of the pandemic on air travel but has recovered well.

    The nine-month pay offer, which would conclude at the start of April 2025, is intended to bring the company’s Irish operation into line with the timing of pay arrangements in the UK.

    The company was approached for comment.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The pay deal has passed and will be subject to review in around 9 months time.

    Some interesting comments from Kim Swan

    In the Irish Times article, she stated:"It was a little disappointing some media reported we were in dispute with the union. It absolutely wasn’t the case, and I think Siptu came out and said that."

    She also said that she was shocked at the difficulty with being able to recruit: "We probably didn’t expect the shortage to be as acute as it was. It came as a bit of a shock to us that we did struggle to recruit. We obviously had to revise the drivers’ rosters and duties. Now, for me, it is about how quickly do we make ourselves attractive, and that all comes down to our terms and conditions, and I suppose our culture."

    Also whilst Aircoach recorded a profit of €1.6m in the year to March 2023, Ms Swann stated that the results would be worse this time around: "We had much greater problems with driver numbers, and taking in significant numbers from Britain put downward pressure on the performance of the company, so the position has worsened, but we are now on a trajectory where are turning the business around."



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Aircoach hikes fares by up to 50pc and apologises for disruption to services after driver roster row

    Airport bus operator Aircoach has substantially increased its fares on a number of routes in recent weeks – with some tickets going up by as much as 50pc.

    Passengers boarding without a pre-booked ticket are now charged €12 for a single fare from the airport to Dublin city centre – up from €8.

    Online fares on the airport route have also increased substantially – from €7 to €10 for a single ticket and from €9 to €15 for a return.

    The price increases follow a difficult period for the UK-owned operator in which it was forced to cancel a large number of Dublin services due to driver shortages.

    When contacted by the Sunday Independent last month after it cancelled up to a third of timetabled services on certain days, the company blamed “operational issues”.

    Trade union Siptu said drivers it represented were “working under protest” and performing the duties “enforced on them by the company”.

    Drivers subsequently accepted a 4.8pc pay deal over nine months with new rosters to replace previous problematic arrangements.

    In response to queries the company said “its pricing strategy reflects a commitment to accessibility and quality, and reaffirms its commitment to providing competitive fares that deliver value for its customers”.​

    “We understand that recent circumstances have led to unexpected challenges, and we would like to take this opportunity again to sincerely apologise to customers affected by service disruptions stemming from an industry-wide shortage of drivers,” it said.

    It added that it was “optimistic that our ongoing recruitment drive will help us minimise any further cancellations”.

    “While we are making every effort to resolve the current challenges, we appreciate our customers' patience and understanding as we work towards restoring our services to full reliability.”

    The poor commercial strategy by the company continues to be in evidence, they're charging €15 online (€10 single) and €24 (€12 single) on bus for a return to Dublin City Centre when you can book Dublin Express online for €8 single or €10 return. They're also certainly breaching advertising regulations by still advertising fares for €4.50 each way on their homepage too.

    The management at Aircoach have little experience in running a road passenger transport and the commercial side of the operation have little experience of the commercial side of such operation as well and it shows. National Express are running rings around them on a daily basis and they seem to have no idea how to deal with that. There's no way things would be run the way they have been recently in Allen Parker's day for instance.

    You also wonder why they are hiking prices so much. Yes there is inflation and a pay rise gone in to staff but it's not huge. It suggests that something has gone wrong with the cost base in the company. Aircoach always used to be a lean company, but seem to have a lot more non driving staff than they had several years ago and I wonder if costs have just spiralled to some degree.

    It's time for First to sell up to someone who knows what they are doing. The operation has totally lost it's way and it's hard to see how it can be turned around whilst the current management team is in place. They are letting down colleagues in the business and customers alike. Lets hope the rumours about Airlink coming back sooner or later are true.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    I know I have defended Dublin Bus to a degree in the past, but I'm not enthused about the prospect of the return of Airlink. National Express have set a new level of the bar and they seem to be doing a damn fine job. I just can't see Dublin Bus matching it.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    National Express may have done a good job with Dublin Express, but as with any corridor, as soon as one operator becomes dominant then there is less incentive to keep up a high standard of service, keep prices low and drive continual improvement. As a new entrant they were always going to have to put up a compelling commercial offer.

    They also know that with the ongoing situation at Aircoach with roster issues, staff shortages, cutbacks to customer service, service cancellations, increased journey times and now significant price rises, Aircoach customers may well be looking for a more competitively priced and more reliable alternative so it's vital that they keep their standards high in order to do this and further strengthen their position on the corridors to put them in a place where they are very strongly beating them.

    No doubt about it however, In the long term Dublin Express not having a tough competitor is not going to help though. We have seen CityLink increase fares on the Dublin to Galway corridor recently and it's naïve if you think that National Express continuing to take market share from Aircoach at the rate they are, won't end up the same way at some point in the future. What we need on the corridor is two operators who really are able to compete with each other whereas at the moment we're simply seeing one very commercially savvy operator school one that seems to be really struggling on multiple fronts.

    I don't think that there is a market for three operators to run between the city centre unless one of them can really do something with a real USP, but even then it's not going to be a cinch. But at the moment I ask myself if Dublin Bus could do a better job on the corridor than Aircoach are dong recently and despite my support for Aircoach in the past and criticisms of Dublin Bus and Airlink over the years, it's hard to argue that they could do any worse than what Aircoach are doing now.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    According to Cork Beo, Single fares on the Cork to Dublin Airport have now been increased to between €20 and €24 single online and more on bus.

    One of the most popular ways to travel from Cork to Dublin (and Dublin airport) has just become more expensive with Aircoach confirming they have had to put up prices to cover rising costs and pay increases for drivers.

    The UK operator of the bright blue buses has increased ticket rates across most Irish routes in recent weeks, and now ticket prices for Cork to Dublin airport one way can start at €20 but can rise to €24 at busier at times. And they will be more expensive if not bought online, but purchased as you board the bus.

    However it is worth saying having had a look the highest fare I could find was €22 so either I'm just looking at days where they haven't sold out the cheaper tickets yet or the article is wrong.

    CityLink appear to charge €21 for their Cork to Dublin Airport online. It's not possible to see how much they charge for on-board, because like Aircoach, they appear to have removed their on bus fares from the website.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Dublin Bus shouldn't be adding anymore commercial services until they get their own house in order regarding PSO services. Only recently they've added a new Docklands tour but yet new Bus Connects continue to get delayed.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I would have said the same prior to the recent issues with Aircoach, but with Aircoach dropping the ball so hard, there may well be space for Airlink to move into a second position, specially if they operate a more bus like service and keep the prices low.

    Having said that I'd prefer if they focused on PSO routes and rolling out BusConnects.

    For the airport I feel the NTA should put on a semi stopping PSO route.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    See my post on the BusConnects thread about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    You are assuming that all the drivers who will or want to do tours or express work will also be willing to do city service.

    When Bus Eireann quit their CIE Tours work some drivers switched to regular BE service work but many quit to continue tours for other operators (under much worse contracts) as they had no interest in service work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Good point but afaik most/all DB tours drivers do service work aswell. I think they do a week on tours a week on regular services. I stand to be corrected.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Aircoach Pricing and Commercial Strategy
    Aircoach from Dublin Airport to Drumcondra is now €10 single. It used to be €6. Surely that makes it now the most expensive bus route in Ireland per km by some distance?

    Also there are reports that from the airport they are no longer selling return tickets to certain destinations in Dublin which is the height of commercial stupidity. The whole idea of upselling to return fares is you lock the revenue and customer in and make it less likely that taxi drivers and competitors will be able to hoover up your customers as they've already paid for your service. Anybody who knows the market in which Aircoach operate in would know that. But no doubt the people who are making these decisions are not even aware of the issues the company has had with taxis down the years and are literally playing right into their hands.

    RE: Dublin Bus Airlink

    I happen to agree that they should focus on the PSO routes if there is still an issue with staffing there, rather than increasing their commercial operations, but what I was simply saying was that I think Dublin Bus would do better on the corridor than Aircoach are doing at the moment and longer term I could see Aircoach being the one that needs to fall out of that market should Dublin Bus make a comeback to it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    There's other operators too that could have stab an Airport-CC service. I could see Eirebus who already do the Swords Express having a stab at it or maybe the crowd that have the Airport Hopper now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 915 ✭✭✭alentejo


    When Aircoach charge 10e one way from the airport to Dublin city centre, the business case for the metro is effectively written.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    They would not get a license to the city centre, Dublin Bus applied for and got one a number of months ago which is why they would be in pole position to run a route and also would end up blocking any other potential new entrants. I wouldn't think Eirebus would be interested and the Airport Hopper crowd who are subcontracted the service by Dualway I wouldn't have faith in either.

    Also I don't think any of the local operators would have the resources ability and funding to get a new service off the ground from scratch to compete with two existing operators, especially a well resourced one like Dublin Express. It would take a lot of money, whereas Dublin Bus have the contacts and the tour work assets that would allow them to market said service to their existing PSO passengers and also they would no doubt be able to get Bus Eireann and Irish Rail to assist with promoting the service in terms of onward travel.

    The only way I can see another company coming in would be if Aircoach would sell up, but realistically that could only be a multi-national company that could do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,471 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    More bad news today (Mon. Aug 12th). Be aware if you're planning on travelling on the 700, 701 or 702 services between Monday and Wednesday….

    Aircoach cancels some services due to driver shortage

    Aircoach has apologised to customers for service disruptions which it says have been caused by an industry-wide shortage of drivers.

    The company has cancelled a number of services on the 700, 701 and 702 routes between North Wicklow, South Dublin and Dublin Airport.

    The cancellations will impact services scheduled for Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    RTE are very late on the game, this issue has been going on every day for over a month now and actually the cancellations lists are smaller now then they were at one point, so the problem is seemingly slightly better than it was at one point.

    However at the same time, I've also noticed that not all services that have been cancelled have been published on that page based on own observations and social media.



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