Newstalk: Off The Ball

The actual story there is a female boxer is being treated horribly online by a certain cohort.

What does him being concerned about her say about OTB?

I think it doesn't take long to find why all that story is hugely suspect - there didn't seem to be any hassle when Kellie beat her 4 years ago. I guess the Russians hadn't decided she was a man then. As someone who lied about consuming content from a range of different media sources, you seem to concentrate on right wing talking points. It was nice of you to pretend. It's old school trolling technique. Shame it doesn't fool anyone anymore.

Where's the proof of this? Apart from the highly discredited IBA, has anybody else said this? She is a woman. She has been beaten by Irish boxers in the past and nobody batted an eyelid.

Yeah. Obviously as abraham Lincoln said you can't believe all you read on the internet. You are expecting me to take the bot farms and anti-trans rights trolls as evidence. Faking Kellie Harringtons support for it.

Despite Kellie beating her in the past with zero questions asked, despite transitioning being illegal in Algeria...

Strawman... hilarious....a clichéd Sam Harris fan I'd guess.

That made me laugh.

Sure you hardly need to know more than our faked Kellie Harrington quote.

I don't think you read that.

Interesting twist. Chromosomes are no longer the determining factor in deciding the sex of the individual. So even if you are born biologically female, you CAN be classed as male depending on hormone levels. Seems 180 degrees the opposite to what the right wing talking points have been declaring but there is an argument to be won on the internet.

I couldn't care how people parent.

But the standard of your friends would have been that if she's had a uterus or if she doesn't have a penis at birth then she was born and always will be a female regardless of hormone therapy or surgery. That is no longer the standard of someone looks male enough and there's an argument to be won on the internet.

It didn't help when Kellie beat her. Hopefully someone asks Kellie what she thinks.

Ger Gilroy sounded like he was phoning from the bottom of the ocean today, atrocious sound quality

On the female boxing issue, I noticed that other media outlets are presenting it as a complex nuanced issue with differing views. (I’d include the likes of RTÉ or BBC in this). One could argue they’re female so entitled to compete. One could argue they have biological advantages which is unfair to the other boxers. Even the IOC and IBA reached different conclusions on this.
It’s not straightforward.

OTB seem to have missed all nuance in their reporting. It is just two females, and anyone questioning it “has let themselves down”. Nothing to see here, move along.

I think this is one issue they’ve dealt with quite poorly in terms of reporting news.

Well you see here's the thing - I wasn't around 40 years ago and thought it was great to hear his memories. I bet there are teenagers listening in the car who had never heard of John Treacy let alone his interesting insights and stories.

I can't see how anybody could possibly complain about that interview.

Thought it was a great interview as well. Never understood why they didn't do more long form interviews once a week or even every couple of weeks. On the rare occasions they have done something like that it's usually been excellent.

Ps. Not sure there are many teenagers listening to the radio these days, not by choice anyways!

Sup?

Well that was fairly abusive.

Morgans and dulpit are posters. They responded to you before i did.

The family law referendum didn't pass because the government didn't run a good campaign. They didn't show any kind of plan after the referendum if it passed, they just wanted to fudge it. It failed because the population could see there wasn't a better option. That's nothing to do with left and right, it's just crap government and diligent voters.

My point was FFFG aren't right or left. They never have been. If you want a term they are Realpolitik. I said nothing about SF/labour getting elected in their place. They won't. Any good ideas that any party has FFFG will nab and use of they think it'll keep them in power.

World Boxing is lead by corrupt Russians who haven't given any details on what tests they did. Their word means little

It's also worth noting that Imane has lost in the 60kg and 62kg weight categories to Irish boxers and her overall record isn't anything spectacular

I vote that tall people shouldn't be allowed play basketball. It's unfair on shorter people.

People are good athletes because of their differences. This athlete may or may not have higher levels of testosterone, which gives her an advantage, but she's a woman, it's just how the odds went for her.

Swimmers are born with super long arms and (I think) shorter legs. You take advantage of what you've been born with.

In this specific example, it's a woman who has been fighting for years who may or may not have some slight edge. But equally other boxers will have different edges (longer arms, naturally better stamina, stuff like that). These are things that can be discussed.

But discussing a woman and whether she is or is not a woman or should or should not be allowed fight because a discredited organisation did something without any sort of due process is ridiculous. And the discourse has moved into absolute hatred about whether she is feminine enough or not. As a reminder, this woman has fought for years, and has fought irish boxers in the past. And it wasn't an issue then.

Some people just need to get offline for a bit, take a break from social media and think about how insane they've gotten lately.

But who says she has different chromosomes? And why weren't you OUTRAGED when she fought in previous Olympics?

with a semester or two of gender studies too just to be safe :)

Any examples you can think of they should cover?