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Can Sinn Fein fix the housing crisis or is it beyond them or anybody else?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,060 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Of course this true and I too dealt with this elsewhere but what a link to the Belfast Telegraph has to do with this discussion & Thread a mystery to me, I'm somewhat more concerned at what's going to happen with the next government, opperating out of the Dail, I'm not getting into NI assembly or Westminster politics, thank you very much

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,979 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    What are you on about foreign investment funds in this case?

    A deal with developer Glenveagh will see 853 homes built at Oscar Traynor Road in Santry, 40 per cent of which will be used for social housing, 40 per cent for cost rental homes, and 20 per cent sold to low- and middle-income workers qualifying for the upcoming affordable purchase scheme.

    What do you want public land used for? 100% social housing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Housing99


    I earn too much for HAP and want to own a home.

    I want to see 100% social housing on public lands. It will bring low income earners out of the private market and also its the right thing morally to do

    Ideally we should look towards Vienna model that works, where any household on under 70,000 qualifies so social housing set at 15% of their income and 60% of the population lives in them. And they constantly build new supply



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    so what are sf doing with their huge property portfolio to help the housing situation ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    It’s fairly clear why the link was posted.

    You are more concerned yet you are unwilling to ask the party you support to stop blocking houses now and making people homeless?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Dangel4x4


    Please explain how you propose to enforce that policy? Sterilisation? Deportation? Euthanasia? Seriously, please elaborate...I'm intrigued



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    It is not all doom and gloom....

    I have been watching "Cheap Irish Homes" on RTE over the last while. It is incredible what people can buy for €150k if they move to the sticks and "rough it" a bit for a while. This is what I would do if I had to. When I bought my first home I had to live in a tiny house )2 bed, no heating, no front garden, leaky roof etc...) which was a building site for an extended period of time. I renovated as I could afford to. I just feel that many (not all) people that are looking for a home would not go through what I went through and set their sights too high. I know not everyone can work from home, but many can yet they refuse to move to affordable property becasue they want to live somewhere that they will never be able to afford.

    Look at what can be bought in Enniscorthy from €220k (new A2 rated) for example:

    https://www.daft.ie/new-home-for-sale/old-forge-road-milehouse-road-enniscorthy-co-wexford/2908410

    ^^^ This would be affordale to many (not all) young couples.

    Perhaps Sinn Fein would have a better chance if they promoted moving people to more remote towns and villages instead of trying to house so many in areas that are unaffordable.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes,100percent social housing,but expand the social housing net upto 78K household in Dublin and 65K across rest of state.....the band's for it,and HAP haven't changed in a generation,I know people trapped in abusive relationships,due to being too high income (36K) to qualify


    We are destroying next generation with forcing people into destition to serve forgien landlords,I see lads in work,living in social housing who can sub/help their kids in college,who if we play out this market nonsense,simply wouldn't be able too,and then trapping further generations into poverty to line pockets of the rich


    This has effect of increasing value of state asset sheet,and provides a stream of income in rent to the state to cover maintenance and cost over long term,but won't result in making forgien landlords rich,so our rulers won't allow it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Housing99


    Single people cannot afford those mortgages on the average income, professional employment doesnt exist in those areas.

    Also the end result of such attitudes is to gentrify the whole of Dublin free of anyone earning under 80,000



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nice houses in enniscourty,and a valid suggestion,but these will require a car which is about e5-800 a month between everything to commute to Waterford or Dublin for work


    Resulting in a similar cost of an extra 100 - 130K on a mortgage in a larger town/city



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,060 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'm not all sure how many times I need to tell you BA I don't, nor have I ever supported SF, so the cheap shots are like water of a ducks back, my voting preferences really not relevant, I'm more Independent or indeed SD leaning as you've been told numerous times.

    I've absolutely no interest in the Belfast telegraph in relation to the appalling housing crisis's being discussed, if I want international news, I read the Gaurdian.

    I'm alright in that I don't have the worries of thousands of people trying to find affordable accommodation or wish to purchase an affordable home, but that doesn't mean I can't care or have an opinion & as you well know but off topic there's quite enough to be disgusted about re FFGG discussed robustly elsewhere.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Complain about the lack of rental properties

    complain about large rental companies buying houses to rent

    🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

    The information release shows the majority of houses in ireland are bought by people who are living in them.

    The “information” you are finding on Twitter is rubbish 👍👍



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And yet nowhere have I complained about lack of houses to rent...try stay in touch with reality pet


    Landlordism is a spiff of a industry,hasn't massive changed in terms of destruction it does to economies since famine times,yet our rulers insist we continue this farce,when we have a massive land asset agency which can oversee it and be held accountable politically



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Housing99


    This is it!

    Im earning 40,000 and Im working a second part time weekend job to save a deposit. Im actually willing to live anywhere within a 2 hour commute of Dublin so I can own a home. The problem is, to move to Wexford or Louth (two areas that I can afford a 1 bed after a year of saving), is that the mortgage will be affordable in the region of 500 a month, but the cost to get to work would be - car loan of a 10 year old seat in the region of 150 a month, insurance for a new driver at 30 180 a month, and fuel costs in the region of 600 a month. So between transport and mortgage its 1750 a month. Add in bills etc your looking at 2100 or more before Ive spent a penny. So no way to afford to have a night out, no holidays, no savings etc. It would literally be work and sitting in the house. Thats no life



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    People like to rent, so because you don’t want to rent everyone else is supposed to suffer in your opinion?

    I think that’s the point you are making or am I wrong? 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    You posted this before, a full thread. You got loads of advice and you can buy in Dublin, even some lovely people finding locations with properties available to buy in budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Housing99


    You advised Balbriggan and Ongar. And went based on the asking price even though the property price register shows they sell for 20k more

    Ive pretty much accepted Drogheda is my best bet as it has a town with services and regular trains to Dublin so I wont need to waste money on a car. But Im not happy about it



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lol,nothing stop the 14 percent of renter who happy to rent,from renting off a national asset agency


    We can do better than serve forgien landlords,your rulers are lying to yous,we have every right to see country run correctly.....we are already supporting 54 percent of renter's,why not keep this money in state pocket instead of legalising theft,and lining pockets of a spiff industry?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Housing99


    I also come down to why is it that my grandfather, who worked for the ESB, could have a home in Crumlin in the 1950s and 60s, earn enough to support a family of 12 on that one income and the provided social housing and that was the "bad old days" when the country was "dirt poor". Yet today we cannot build this housing anymore? We could house half of Dublin when we where poor though? Why not now, why did my grandads generation of working class people get the right to a home in Dublin but mine dont?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    “your rulers are lying to yous” 🤦‍♂️

    So you want to shut down all rental apart from renting off a government agency?

    Sounds great comrade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I have two options and you scoffed at them and wanted to spend 15k on furniture wasn’t it?

    As I said at the time plenty of option in Dublin….it’s not up to me to buy one for you!!!

    But it is incorrect to make out on multiple threads you are blocked out of the Dublin market, you are certainly not



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Housing99


    Some of us want to live in a socialist society comrade



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A@Housing99

    The country was on its knees then and it could be done,it can mist deffo be done now......FF pedigree in Dublin (and elsewhere) for 40 years was built on its clearing inner city tenaments for new towns


    It's pure shorttermism and persuit of quick profit of private interests is preventing it,upto 2 generations in power is the prize for whomever grasps nettle of restarting large scale social housing (incl for immigrants) and works to improve people's lives



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Augme



    The Ukraine situation clearly.makes things.much more difficult. But housing situation was a shambles long before the Ukraine situation so relying on Fine Gael to improve it on top of the additional refugees seems like a bizarre idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Augme



    What party doesn't spout out populist bullshit? The amount crap coming from fine gael over the last decade has been comical. "We'll reward people who get up in the morning." By making sure you've no disposable income, brilliant. What a reward!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Housing99


    It could have been so different. I think they got away with clearing out the work class dockers of Dublin 1 and 2 to create the modern docklands for the cream of transient European high income earners, got no pushback when traditional working class areas like Stoneybatter and the Liberties became the home of the upper middle classes and now when the outer suburbs are out of reach of the working classes who grew up in them the damage has been too far gone.

    I doubt 30 years ago many people would have taken the deal of "You can be a rich country and go to college for 5 years and the Canaries for a week once a year, but your children will never be able to live in the communities their families grew up in" as a good compromise



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    I am a professional and I works from home. So clearly this does not apply in all cases.

    I know many single people that could afford this. I agree that not all can but if those that could afford it did this it would free up more rental hoe a for others.

    I applied the above to myself. The very reason I don’t live in a more expensive area is because I can’t afford to. Rather than home the government I bought where I could afford.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Other than lining pockets of forgien landlords,I have yet to hear any positive attribute to landlordism?


    This leaving it to market to provide housing,has failed,is never going to work,anyone whom still believes it will,their devotion to a failed economic and political ideology is admirable but,at some stage even to emselves must admit it's pointless to keep repeating mistakes of the past and hoping for different outcomes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Housing99


    If you earn more than me than you earn more than 50% of the work force. If you cannot afford to buy in Dublin on that income we have a major problem and moving to Enniscorty is not the answer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,897 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Not taking in 60,000 refugees in the space of a few months for a start.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    When your grandfather sold his house did he sell it at the price he bought it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    It’s a war….the alternative was to let people die



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Housing99


    My grandfather lived in social housing in his home in Crumlin until he died



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I think you should mention “foreign landlords” a few times, I guess that works on the likes of twitter to get the outrage going

    It doesn’t matter what location a landlord is based in, ireland needs a functioning rental system. The days of small landlords are gone because tenants in ireland wanted the regulations and laws changed. So the only people that it is feasible anymore is large scale landlord that can take rip off tenants to court.

    The biggest mistake in the past, which was confirmed after the crash, was the lack of large scale landlords in ireland and we needed to invest in a proper rental system



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Load of empty, half empty office blocks now that people work more from home.

    Could be converted to residential accommodation.

    Edit ... So instead of company renting 2 floors they could rent 1 floor etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel




  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Biggest problems confirmed by the crash was lack of a social housing net,that was masked by cheap credit over the previous decade



    Since you are such a fan of large scale landlords,what is the opposition to a single state entity overseeing it?


    It's a spiv industry built on human misery propagated by liberals to keep people poor so as to make easier to enforce their rule on the people,only 14 percent of renter's happy to rent,yet we are treated to lemmings and all day everyday spouting nonsense about the need to enforce a rental market onto the populace and demand market participation by all,with the sole intention of exporting money out of the economy,these people offer nothing to the state or any society anywhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    14% go on, tell us how you got this number? 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    No it doesn't. Weened off being almost entirely dependent on it.

    No it wouldn't. The same people build for the Belgian investors would be building for us.

    Hopefully, more social and affordable builds lead to less need for buying and leasing. The rate of change would be difficult to put a number on. There was a time were a council only bought a house to use for a tenant if they'd no vacant properties and there'd been a fire or flood. Now its par for the course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I tried this on other threads but didn’t seem to work as the people on those threads have zero interest in solving the housing crisis


    Everyone who is sick of the housing crisis and wants it resolved should be contacting all of their local TD, especially if you support a specific party. They should be telling that TD if they find out they are blocking housing in their area they will automatically lose their vote and of course name as many people


    No political party should be blocking housing. If a department of education etc block them on the grounds of not enough schools well then that is valid reasons but it should not be done by parties, especially ones who are only blocking because it is in their interest to make the housing crisis worse.

    It would be interesting to see how many people on this thread will even consider contacting the TD, or is this thread like many others, just created to have a pop at a party because someone supports another party and they couldn’t care less about the people wrapped up in the housing crisis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Yes. Its a joke. Seems designed to be dragged out so solicitors can make more money. Its shouldn't take more than a week or so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    You forgot the crony stuffed planning board. Tbf, let's pretend you are right, which you're not, if FG and FF combined for near two government terms couldn't solve housing why bother voting for them? Is it a few plucky councillors in every council in every part of the country stopping them? Its not a believable scenario now is it? Take DCC. More FF than any other party. FG has the second most seats. They've the whole government behind them. So DCC's district must be a Shangri la for housing, right? Its not though is it? Why is that, **** government?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    You are correct moving to Enniscorty is not the answer, but it may be one very small part of the answer. There is no silver bullet. If we ever find a solution it will be made up of many parts. Moving people from cities such as Dublin to far more affordable towns around the country may be part of this.

    Like it or not €220k for a high quality home such as the ones I linked to is quite affordable to some, working from home is also an option for quite a few and many people would live very happily in a modern town like that. The more people that take this type of option the more the housing issue in other areas is alleviated.

    No government can afford to fund everyone that desires it to live in Dublin, (even if they really, really want to) not even a Sinn Fein promise this (yet!). If this money was there for this we would not be in this mess!

    We have a housing emergency, so if we want to start solving it we have to treat it like an emergency. Turning down quality affordable accomidation just because it isn't in one of the most expensive cities in the world does not help solve the housing crisis. Enniscorthy is just one samll example, there are many more.

    The solution is a bit more complex than Sinn Fein's simplistic strategy of taxing the rich!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,482 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    ...well, we could stop objecting to every development going and maybe stop hounding and demonising developers, that might be a start on fixing the problem. 'Not In My Back Yard' have a lot to say for the problems of a lack of housing. Red tape at the CoCo meeting doesn't help either. Not to mention certain politicians that actually hold up developments in order to damage the government. Can Sf fix the problem... no in a million years. Sf is born and bred to be objectors and demonstrators. Actually fixing problems is not in the training manual.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    Ah lovely a discussion about Sinn Feins tax policies on a thread about can they fix housing.

    We cannot discuss a Govt TD in a Govt thread though

    Boards never fails


    I agree with the Shinners everyone on over 100k should be taxed more.

    All TDs wages should also be cut by 50% and no expenses should be allowed. A cap on advisors, no more perks would be a start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    It never will be, as I said look at the first post on this thread, they are not even in government and you are starting to see it all over the web. The excuses to why SF wont be able to fix anything if they get into government. The laughable thing is they think polls are an actual election



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,203 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    That still leaves you with a % to split between renting and buying then, with less available due to paying crazy amounts to state workers on state pensions to start building instead.

    Those who are currently building for the Belgian investors will be charging the state a lot more for the same job as there is no need to be efficient, unless you are planning on putting in performance based pay for state workers (are you?).

    I'm sorry, but you're still spinning a complete fairy story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,939 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    What would/can sinn fein do differently?

    Build more, no more free houses and allow evictions.

    Easy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    ...and don't forget a few weeks back all the FF/FG lads were bragging about the billions in surplus and that was a week after Micheal found 3bn in his arse pocket for refugees.

    All things that would make matters worse.

    Most objections are based on them being a not fit for family, purpose builds and a waste of our money. I can get behind most of them.


    There are seemingly frivolous ones too:




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    Facts don't matter. Its them Shinners that have cause this crisis

    From Gerry Adams to Mary Lou, they have left the country with a housing crisis before they even got into Govt

    A remarkable achievement alls things considering



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