Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Let us count the ways.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/israeli-hostages-confirmed-dead-after-army-finds-six-bodies-in-gaza-13207541

Absolute sickening to see Hamas killed 6 hostages before they could be rescued

What scum

Is it confirmed how they died? The IDF "precision strikes" haven't been too precise………Given the abandon with which they blew hostages being abducted to smithereens back in October, and the time they killed the three lads stripped and waving white flags,

They do come across as seeming to be more interested in recovering bodies then actually getting them back alive through negotiation

And before anyone loses their sh1t, I don't doubt that Hamas could have summarily executed them either. In many ways it would be a logical strategic response to try to deter future operations.

The lives of hostages are expendable to both sides. Nethanyu clearly doesn't give a damn about the hostages. Even his own negotiators are frustrated with him.

It's hard to know what happened in this incident. Hamas could well have murdered the hostages to try and deter further operations. On the other hand I wouldn't put it past the IDF to lie either if it was their fire that led to their deaths.

None of the other posts reacting to these killings cite sources; they are just a reaction to what's generally publicly reported..

From to-day's BBC: A senior Hamas official, Izzat al-Rishq, insisted Israel was responsible for their deaths, as it has refused to sign a ceasefire deal.

Is this some sort of Hamas "justification" for these killings?

Netanyahu doesn't care for these hostages, they don't negotiate ,they just storm in guns blazing, and to hell with the consequences . These people are kept safe and alive for months on end, until the IDF get involved that is.

To be clear, are you claiming that Israel murdered these 6 hostages?

I don't know if they were Baglan1. What I do know is the IDF has killed hostages before. With this in mind-

To be clear, do you believe the three hostages, who were shot while holding white flags , were murdered by Israel?

Netanyahu hasn’t really given much indication he cares for the hostages lives that much, and frankly given his criminal entanglements he has every reason to drag out their situation. The minute the hostages are not a factor, the support for destroying Gaza will erode, and when the war ends, Israel will push hard for snap elections, getting Bibi out of power, and resumption of his criminal prosecution.

Israel isn't going anywhere, not while America continues to back them.

I do agree with the Israel can do no wrong brigade that it has a right to self defense and it is important they are militarily superior to their enemies for the purpose of deterrence, but this does not give them the right to act like total scumbags and violate international law. I really see little difference between Sinwar and Bibi now;two psychopaths who don't give a toss for their own people only for their own survival at all costs

Let's just say I won't shed a tear for Bibi or Sinwar when father time catches up with the two of them. The world will be a better place without these scumbags in it.

They've been at the auld ethnic cleansing/expulsion/genocide for years but doing it on a farm by farm basis is a slow process. Of course you do it in as brutal a way as they are but you expose yourself to the world as the facist, racist, apartheid, ethno-state that you always were. I mean would the Middle East's most liberal democracy really try to sterilize it's own Jewish citizens? Probably the wrong type of Jew though eh?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/28/ethiopian-women-given-contraceptives-israel

The only thing they are accelerating is the speed at which that monstrosity collapses at. Many Israeli scholars as well as former IDF/Shin Bet operatives have said as much. They didn't think Apartheid SA was going anywhere until it did effectively overnight.

In a fucked up way, the discovery of these 6 hostages is kinda good for both OP and the US. It detracts away from all the other war crimes they are perpetrating (something like 60+ Palastinians were killed in the past 24 hours, I've seen varying reports from different places) whilst allowing them to pay lip service and justify why they are the cretins they are.

They did it before and release 105 hostages. How is that a bad thing? Is it not Israel's objective to get the hostages back alive?

Peace in the North was achieved by negotiating with terrorists.

They could have been released by Hamas if Israel had negotiated similar to what they did in November last year. 105 hostages were released at that time so the capacity was there to get the remaining hostages back in the same way.

Bibi is just not willing to negotiate and the chance of the hostages being killed now has been greatly increasing by pounding Gaza for the intervening 9 months. His tactics are not working and the hostages' families can see that.