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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • #38462
    PeggyShippen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    It's probably a good time for the IDF to push Hizbollah back behind the Litani river in Southern Lebanon. And keep that buffer zone indefinitely. I think you might see an enlarged Golan heights move aswell to keep the Druze happy . All makes sense militarily aswell. The handbrake is being let off I feel and I ll be surprised if there isn't a big allied bombing campaign on Iran within the month.

    Support 🇮🇱 Israel



  • #38463
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,889 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463168#Comment_122463168

    I didn't say you did. I was speaking of others. I don't have any illusions/ fantasies about your double standards in denying war crimes committed by Israel, it's openly on display with your constant deflections and complaining about piles on against Israel. The fact you don't praise Putin but stay silent about Nethanyu is telling. No wonder Nethanyu has expressed admiration for Putin- two peas in a pod!



  • #38464
    Weepsie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,690 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463201#Comment_122463201

    Israel will be dropping the bombs on their own if theres any campaign.



  • #38465
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,538 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463201#Comment_122463201

    Im pro Israel so the last thing it should do is agree to ceasefires etc or let the likes of hamas regroup so that Israel faces the same problems down the road but at the same time Israel has to remember its population and economy is small enough and its already ~9months into a conflict, I see a risk of Israel overextending itsself militarily or risk its Iron Dome systems being exhausted?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #38466
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,036 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463721#Comment_122463721

    Israel cannot do away with Hamas, it's an ideology. Hamas might not have the same name but it will not change under a new name. Israel has ensured that the numbers will swell too. If Israel wants to stop the threat then it needs to change and stop stealing land in the WB, release unconvicted prisoners and stop treating the Palestinians like dirt. What they have been doing up until now and in the past has not worked.



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  • #38467
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users Posts: 4,150 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    You would think Israel would finish with the conflict in Gaza before getting involved in another conflict. 9 months into their conflict in Gaza and they don't seem close to destroying Hamas yet some posters here think that they will defeat Hezbollah and Iran soon enough. It's obvious they are killing alot of people in Gaza but perhaps they are not killing the right people to actually win the conflict?

    Perhaps the Israeli population will realise soon that Netanyahu's policies are not going secure any lasting peace.



  • #38468
    combat14
    Registered Users Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭combat14


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463985#Comment_122463985

    will iran fall into israels trap of a wider conflict



  • #38469
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users Posts: 4,150 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464042#Comment_122464042

    I'm not sure why they would bother. Cheaper to finance Hamas or whoever their successor is and Hezbollah and every few years make life difficult for the Israelis. Neither Israel or Iran have any strategy that will lead to victory.



  • #38470
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,036 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463985#Comment_122463985

    It's as if they are killing thousands to disguise that fact. What we do know that of the 40,000 killed/murdered, most were women and children and around 31,000. Now assuming the rest were Hamas ( a bit of a stretch) then 10,000 were Hamas. Israel estimated that Hamas had at least 40,000 members in Gaza.



  • #38471
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463721#Comment_122463721

    Would you agree with the stance of many Israelis that all Palestinians need to be wiped out?

    That's the logical and inevitable conclusion of perpetuating a system of apartheid, murder, theft, and oppression.



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  • #38472
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,036 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    It's just another day in Gaza as more kids die in Israeli bombings -

    https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2024/0804/1463445-israel-gaza-hamas/



  • #38473
    combat14
    Registered Users Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭combat14


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464131#Comment_122464131

    the vast majority of israelis are not advocating wipe out all palestinians - most arabs are advocating the opposite however



  • #38474
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464340#Comment_122464340

    Hmm. So they want to avoid facing "the same problems down the road" but they are also committed to controlling nurturing an environment where the same type of resistance will necessarily arise.

    Gaslighting 101.



  • #38475
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,889 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Let's hope they do.

    As you say the Israeli right don't want peace. Let's say Hamas are somehow defeated and a moderate opposition governs Gaza that would be Bibi and his friends worse nightmare. We know this because Bibi admitted it to colleagues that the best way to weaken the PA and stall a two state solution was allowing the money to come in from Qatar. Bibi would love if the Iranians fell into his trap and a wider war broke out that dragged in the Americans. Let's hope they don't give him what he wants.

    Even his own negotiators have said that he was setting out terms for a peace deal to the current war that made their job is impossible.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463985#Comment_122463985



  • #38476
    Weepsie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,690 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464340#Comment_122464340

    He didn't say most Israelis. He said many. And who or what are these arabs you speak of?



  • #38477
    PeggyShippen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464066#Comment_122464066

    Shows how much Hamas value their own women and children. They hide behind them and among them. Hanas are happy to hide in schools and hospitals. Once they operate from those schools and hospitals then they become legitimate targets for airstrikes . This war is going to get worse before it gets better. It ll be interesting to see the Hizbollah and Iranian response. They are already tearing apart their organisations looking for the Shin Bet operatives .. If they over do their response then the Americans will intervene directly . That's Bibis thinking ..makes sense really. Then push on into lebanon. This war is only starting

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  • #38478
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,872 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464817#Comment_122464817

    That lie gets repeated ad nauseam. Schools and hospitals don't automatically loose their protective status simply because there's an alleged fighter in it.



  • #38479
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,127 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464817#Comment_122464817

    You have yet to explain why the "beacon of hope" is colonising areas outside of its internationally recognised borders.



  • #38480
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,036 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464817#Comment_122464817

    As you know Peggy that is the excuse the Israelis use to bomb civilians and destroy infrastructure. That's all. It's played out at this stage.



  • #38481
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,036 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464841#Comment_122464841

    Not only that. If their information is so good that they know Hamas are hiding behind women and children then how come they haven't been able to free the hostages? It makes no sense because it isn't true.



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  • #38482
    Weepsie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,690 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464817#Comment_122464817

    Israel soldiers had to be told by its own court system to stop using Palestinian civilians as human shields. That was I. 2004 and the practices still continues. This includes forcing people into areas and building they believe to be booby trapped, and a practice called neighboring which is basically using civilians as bait to lure out operatives.

    Israel has **** all room to make up accusations of human shielding. They use it as a convenient excuse.

    In the the 2008-09 and 2014 conflicts only a fraction of what they bombed and claimed to be examples of human shields by Hamas was found to be remotely credible by various agencies including NATO and Amnesty international.

    And as above said, just because there is a cache of weapons or a militant in a hospital, they are still protected by international laws,away that Israel does not respect.

    It's abhorrent that Hamas would use these places strategically but it's worse that Israel would consider the massive loss of human life to be okay for what is questionable intelligence mostly.

    And the Americans are not intervening directly, despite the wet dreams it's giving defenders of Israel's war crimes



  • #38483
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,538 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463977#Comment_122463977

    The only strategy for Israel is to grow, maybe never let anybody back into gaza except under some very selective process maybe

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #38484
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,538 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464131#Comment_122464131

    Ive never heard the term "wiped out" but if they expand their borders and move people on so be it

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #38485
    Weepsie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,690 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122465358#Comment_122465358

    So are you saying ethnic cleansing is okay, because thats what you're proposing



  • #38486
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,538 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122465398#Comment_122465398

    Its not for me to say whether its ok or not but it just seems like something that could happen, maybe there is an upbeat solution, create a model city get the oil nations to help fund it but eradicate extremism from the start, see what happens

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #38487
    Weepsie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,690 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122465408#Comment_122465408

    And what if Israel's extremism? How is that eradicated? What about the very tricky issue if illegal settlement.

    What you have proposed is essentially ethnic cleaning and weirdly remiscent of the Zionists Delat Plan or Plan D that they implemented in 1948



  • #38488
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,538 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122465423#Comment_122465423

    again , not proposing but given the situation its a strong possibility as in the less likely situation is a shaking of hands and they wind the clock back a year. Israel has essentially spent its "holocaust card" so there is no point compromising now

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #38489
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122465359#Comment_122465359

    Bit of the oul' lebensraum?



  • #38490
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,538 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122465542#Comment_122465542

    I see what you did there but from a security point of view it would make sense.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • #38491
    Weepsie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,690 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122465573#Comment_122465573

    Security for whom? The millions of Palestinians forcibly removed from their homes?

    Israel, who have will shave shown they've gone even further even their most ardent defenders have said they would?

    It's not a solution that be remotely entertained. It sends the wrong message out entirely and basically says their constant abuse of human rights is okay.



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