Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Truthfully I've just been putting in the time to search for a lot of this info, (I will add its much harder atm because all terms with anything close to gender or sex immediately goes to stories on the current olympics) I had a somewhat basic knowledge of boxing from some time when I was younger but little to no knowledge of how its organized. So I'd love for someone who is an active boxer to break down what a pass book involves because it does seem to be the big 'maybe' in the room, as it seems in general all events tend to take these as gospel and as long as they are up to date and approved fighters are allowed to take part in an event. It requires a genuine level of doubt on someone's passbook/records book (I've seen it called both) to actually push back against it and insist on testing for something.

Which is why I think the IBA decision has been so heavily criticized. They claim they had reason to doubt the passbook (failed test in 2022) but claim they legally couldn't do anything but accept the book in 2023 and then run a second test to disqualify her during the event. If their chief concern was safety as they claimed and they had reasons to doubt the book based on a prior test then shouldn't they have been able deny her passbook and not let her into the event at all until the matter was resolved. Unless that pass book had details that made them question their initial test results and they opted to test again. This is all just going off the minutes of a meeting they released after they had disqualified her so its light on details. Even if one was to accept that the IBA was a 100% honest organisation there are serious questions about how the situation was handled by them.

As far as I am aware the only professional boxing organization to declare Imane Khelif is a man is the IBA. Most other organizations have either made no comment or have indirectly supported Imane Khelif by her continued participation in their events. Which as far as I can find has been World Boxing (Eindhoven Cup) and USA boxing (she was at a US boxing invitational just this year) both events have the requirement of boxers providing up to date records/pass books with up to date medical records which goes back to my above thought on what those books involve because they appear to carry a lot of influence on the decisions at these events.

Individuals on the other hand have been much more varied, I mentioned the Australian captain earlier being against Imran, but strangely the Australian Coach came out strongly in support of her. Some retired boxers or boxers who were not involved in this years Olympics have come down on different sides. I will point out of those, the ones who actually fought against Imran have mostly sided with her.

By all accounts, apart from claiming to be a woman in order to compete in athletics, semenya lives and identifies as a man in all areas of life, and has done since childhood, where he used a male name and didn't like hanging out with girls because they were "boring and soft". Aside from the fact that semenya seems to have been raised and socialized as a boy despite being incorrectly observed to be female at birth, it would have been painfully obvious at puberty what sex he was. I'd imagine it would have been the same for these boxers too if they have similar conditions.

Hmmm!…. come again?
I think you are………. purposely forgetting someone here.

The blame clearly lies on one side….. and one side only.
Namely, the TERFS, transphobes and bigots on the right, led by Queen JK who all made this an issue and brought a TONNE of hate down upon an innocent victim.

Khelif has been boxing for years with only minor pushback.

When Carini forfeited the fight, she made no mention of any trans issue and she hadn't weighed in on the subject previously either. As a seasoned boxer, she just knew when things weren't going the right way for her and decided to throw in the towel with humility.

In steps Terf Queen JK and other malcontents like Lord Elon and Logan Paul to use this fight incident and specifically Imane Khelif as their poster child for their anti-trans bigotry. The ironic thing was of course that Khelif apparently has lady parts and is only male in terms of high testosterone levels, due to some rare DSD condition. Although, whether the DSD claim is true is actually still up in the air.

Misinformation. Khelif was determined to be genetically male, with xy chromosomes. It was nothing to do with testosterone levels that they were excluded from the previous competition. And literally no one has said they are trans, not even the "queen terf" lol

Is Nicola adams also a terf now? Or maybe someone who is well placed to understand that women's sports should be for women, and the consequences for female boxers in particular. Perhaps do as she says here and you'll understand the issue. It's not khelifs fault that they have a medical condition but it doesn't mean they should be competing against females when they aren't one.

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https://www.breakingnews.ie/olympics-2024/iba-says-it-will-award-italian-boxer-angela-carini-olympic-champion-prize-money-1657705.html

I hope they offer money to all who lose at the Olympics to those two fighters, not just Carini

Looks like a man as well TBH.

Maybe here?

Ah yes, the IBC. Suspended from the IOC in 2019, run by Russians who have an amazingly clean Olympic background. Oh, and the president of the IBC has a criminal background in extortion and battery.

Now the usual cranks have jumped on their bandwagon. Amazing how **** thick some people are.

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The only conclusion I can draw from that is that you have an issue with girls wearing trousers.

Sure I'm a woman wearing trousers today myself. No issue there. My issue is more that Semenya is a male person, fully aware for years that they are a male person and who doesnt seem to ever have thought they were actually a girl, except to compete against them

The point is that men should NOT be participating in women's sports, specially when it comes to competitions and winning medals. Currently we don't know for sure what the biological status is for the two boxers, but surely if there's any doubt about their biological makeup, then the IOC should err on the side of caution rather than fastrack them through the rounds and up to the top of the medal table 🏅

I blame Mark Adams & the IOC.

Sorry I got confused, I thought you were asking about Imane Khelif. For Caster Semenya it's even simpler: when he appealed a ban after failing a sex test, that led to a judgment on his case which was (had to be) made public, and that made it clear that Semenya had XY chromosomes and a male-specific DSD known as 5-ARD which led him to have ambiguous genitalia at birth, but such children experience the normal surge of testosterone that male children have during puberty because their testicles, despite being undescended, are functional.

The reference to the CAS ruling is mentioned here (Sean Ingle is chief sports reporter for the Guardian, hardly a TERF bastion):

Here's a bit more detail, especially if you don't like twitter even from actual experts in the field!

That Khelif has been beaten by a number of elite female boxers is probably the second-worst argument in favour of him being female (the worst being the one that goes if anyone voices suspicions about Khelif, they must necessarily think that Simone Biles or Serena Williams or some other black female athlete is also male. That's even worse because it's frankly racist as well as illogical).

Khelif is a good but not a great boxer and is capapble of being beaten by a certain number of great female boxers despite the unfair advantages conferred by his male body.

That's all that Khelif's previous defeats signify.

Here's Serena Williams talking about the differences between men's and women's tennis (where nobody gets punched in the head):

Could Serena Williams beat the average or even a good male tennis player? No doubt she could. But there is still an unfair advantage held by men which is independent of skill. And in combat sports, that is dangerous and any possible doubt cannot be ignored. A sex test is a simple matter. Women athletes wanted the sex test kept. Why was it thrown out by the IOC?