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Cross-border review of rail network officially launched

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,731 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    And even that seems to have gone completely quiet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,413 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Confirmed ~4 weeks ago that its in the current capital budget; but the financial situation is so poor up there (and in GB, for that matter) that that means nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,731 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    I seen that but doubt it'll actually happen especially eith labour taking a literal flamethrower to infrastructure in England



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,413 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The odd way the Barnett Formula works - with big English infra often being claimed to be national infra to stop them having to give the devolved governments money - might actually help there though. Perversely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,087 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    also in the original report it was proposed as a single track non-electric line. It's a ludicrous idea included purely to give everyone some hypothetical sweeties.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,731 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Agree, what actual transport need it fulfills is beyond me. People who want to go from Cavan or Mullingar to Belfast I guess. 🤔 apparently it's a similar route to some old pre automobile narrow track routes back when Belfast was the biggest city.

    An extension from Navan to Cavan would even be more practical because people actually make such journeys. The armagh to portadown section probably has merit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭nordydan


    Its definitely coming soon as I know contractors on project



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,963 ✭✭✭cantalach


    This article from 24th May has information on all four commuter rail projects in Cork (Kent platforms, re-signalling, double tracking, six new stations). In relation to the double tracking, it says that IE, “expects a contract for this work to be awarded next month, and the project is expected to be completed by the end of 2026.” It’s now August so something must have turned sour.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2024/0524/1450928-rail-stations-cork/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭Economics101


    The Rail Order is in the Black Hole, otherwise known as An Bord Pleanala, so delays are totally predictable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,963 ✭✭✭cantalach


    No, the railway order was actually approved last Nov:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41263978.html

    IE then announced that they were moving to tender, and that article from May indicated that contract signing was imminent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Assuming that it's the Glounthaune to Midleton double tracking project you are referring to, ABP granted the RO in November 2023 (No great credit to them; it took far too long even if part of the delay was a cockup in the documents originally submitted by IE). The project is now in a far worse black hole - awaiting a commencement order (Statutory Instrument) to be signed by none other than that clown Eamon Ryan. You would have thought that between them, Ryan/NTA/DOT would have had this in draft form ready to finalise and sign when ABP granted the RO. Instead 9 months have elapsed. Last update from IE was "Invitation to tender for construction works will issue in January 2024, with a construction start planned for summer 2024" There is no trace of the tender invitation on etenders.gov.ie, no news of a contract being awarded and no indication that construction is anywhere near iminent. So you can make what you will of the the likelyhood of the project being completed by mid/late 2026.

    Regarding the RO for the eight stations, last update on this was that IE intends applying for this by the end of 2025 - SO allowing for that being late plus ABP plus the gap between the RO being granted and construction commencing plus construction it's difficult to see any of these new stations being open this decade. And that's assuming that there are no futher intervening variables.

    These are relatively straightforward, relatively non-contentious small scale, low budget projects. Given the interminable amount of time that these are taking what hope is there for the grand plans contained in the AISRR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,884 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Preparatory works for the doubling are slated in to start from September looking at the engineering works schedule on the Irish Rail website.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Thanks for this.

    Is this internal IE work or external contractors ?

    Have you any info on the main contract ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,884 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    My post was pretty clear I thought in terms of the information and where I got it from.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    It seems that announcements are not always made when orders are signed, tenders granted, and so on. Maybe that’s why you don’t see anything on etenders?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    My understanding is that a Stuatory Instrument is required to commence the RO. There doesn’t appear to be an SI relating to this RO.

    https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/statutory.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Noted. Sorry to bother you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭ArcadiaJunction


    Even though the plan presents nothing for rail other than the Land of Make Believe. It still shows 'a bit of oul track' and no yards etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I was about to reply with a counter point but I'm just after seeing your Boards comment history full of utterly horrible references to our politicans and insulting right wing theories. I'll certainly be ignoring your comments from now on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭gjim


    You're not alone in coming to that conclusion.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭ArcadiaJunction


    Prove me wrong with all the Foynes railfreight flows instead of playing Internet Detective.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Given that the AIRR is, shall we say, 'not all going to be delivered', let's say it can provide a road map of the next few decades of rail development.

    Of the proposed projects which do you consider most likely to see the light of day (that aren't currently in progress)

    This is intended to be different from 'which is most important', maybe a few quick wins are possible and there's nothing most politicians like more than a good ribbon cutting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,934 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Mullingar-Athlone as it’s relatively easy and Maynooth-Hazelhatch interconnecter because it’s so crucial.

    Navan after them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,884 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I think doubling sections of the Galway line will come before any of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    Aside from Dublin-Cork and Dublin-Belfast, is Galway the busiest intercity line in the country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    • Assuming that level-crossing removals and line works and speed improvements to facilitate 200 (or 160) km/h running are an ongoing project, then these are all things that can be done incrementally that would improve service time and reliability, and prepare for electrification…
    1. Double-tracking (in this order):
      - Athenry–Galway
      - Portarlington-Athlone
      - Kildare–Kilkenny
      - Maynooth–Mullingar
      Galway should be obvious. Doubling the lines beyond Portarlington and Kildare allows services to Waterford and Galway/Westport/Ballina to make up time they may lose due to commuter-service interference on the current Portarlington-Hazelhatch stretch, or waiting on the remaining single-track sections. Maynooth Mullingar last, because the benefits only come into play when the new Mullingar-Athlone and Maynooth-Hazelhatch links arrive.
    2. The curve at Limerick Junction to allow Limerick line trains east of the Junction to seamlessly join the Cork Line. The benefit isn’t huge without line-speed improvements, but it is cheap, and could connect South Tipperary and Cork with a reasonable service even before any other line improvements. (Waterford is still too far away until the line is improved)

    Then these two medium-size new projects:

    1. Maynooth—Hazelhatch
    2. M3 Parkway—Navan (probably as a DART line)

    That’s the easy stuff, then there’s the bigger ones:

    1. New Inter-city western approach, Portarlington&Kildare–Hazelhatch. Electrified from the start.
    2. New Inter-city Northern approach, Clongriffin–Drogheda. Electrified from the start.

    The order of electrification is a different problem, but the engineer in me leans toward using the Waterford line as a pilot line for this, given that it’s relatively short, and doesn’t branch, so the impact of problems here on other services would be limited.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭DoctorPan


    There's tenders currently out for Phases 1&2 for Dublin - Cork Elecrtification, the Navan Line and Portarlington-Galway Capacity Improvements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,731 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Wow, is the Dublin-Cork tender for a consultant to design electrification of the entire route? That's quite a job, it would possibly be the longest electrification project in Europe right now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 266 ✭✭Ronald Binge Redux


    Caustic but accurate article by David McWilliams in the IT this morning, skewering the self-congratulatory attitude of Official Ireland about real delivery of transport infrastructure.

    "If this is the case, and it seems apparent wherever the State spends public money, then it’s time to call in the big boys, the people who can do this. Difficult as it is to admit, this is the moment when it’s time to take the keys from the parent because they are no longer responsible and give them to a mature provider, get value for money and get these projects done on time and within budget."

    All the guff about on time and on budget when, for example, the Metro for Swords has been on the drawing board since 2002 and earlier is shown up for what it is. Getting anything from the All-island Strategy delivered will be impossible unless Official Ireland finally moves away from rail projects being colouredy lines on reams of paper redesigned every few years or so, to real life project management and implementation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭Economics101


    McWilliams' piece sounds a bit like guff to me.

    Some years ago, Irish Ral took a failed signalling project in-house and delivered a series of mini-CTC signalling projects quite successfully. There are probably other examples whan compaiies are left to do work on their own network (they know how things work), whereas at present we have a flying circus of NTA, TII, DoT, IE, numerous consultants, etc all spending endless time and energy on discussion, planning, evaluation and so on. And we are about to add a Department of Infrastructure to this clown show.

    Keep it simple!



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