Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

But sheer physical strength does not give you a huge advantage in women's amateur boxing - this is not professional boxing where you have 12 rounds and one of the main aims is to try and knock out your opponent, knock them down several times or have the fight stopped.

It's obvious from much of the profoundly ignorant commentary on social media that the majority of people commenting there have never watched a women's amateur boxing bout in their lives. Amateur boxing is primarily about skills, ring craft, good footwork, clever defence, speed of thought and reaction etc….bulking up with testosterone would hardly improve a female amateur boxer to any degree (which is why we never hear of failed drugs tests with female amateurs).

I've played sport all my life, though never at elite level, and I'm a woman. I'm a scientist rather than a sportswoman though. What's your point?

Do you agree that someone with 46XY 5-ARD is male?

So why bother with male and female categories at all then? By that logic, shouldn't we just get rid of them and just use weight categories?

My point was pointing out the misinformation that was posted about a fellow human being.

Right, I agree entirely.

The cause of this "pile-on" has been the refusal of the IOC to deal with the problem upstream, before the Games started.

The IOC first chose to remove sex testing, despite the fact that this was not what female athletes wanted, and to replace it by a mere document check. This would not be accepted to prove an absence of artificial testosterone, so why would it be enough to prove sex, when a simple test is available? Athletes are regularly expected to submit to far more intrusive testing for drugs and nobody complains about that.

Then, they refused to respond to concerns raised about these particular athletes, choosing to hide behind a claim that "our procedures have been followed". But their procedures are insufficient, and, given that it's a combat sport, such a dismissive attitude cannot be justified. There is a genuine doubt, which can be cleared up very quickly - that has to be done.

Anyone who defends maintaining the present situation of needless uncertainty risks making themselves complicit with male violence against women.

I have not made any post about Khelif.

Yet again you are failing to read posts. You cannot expect to be taken seriously when you are only interested in putting your words in other people's mouths.

I responded to a post about Caster Semenya. Rather than reading that post you jumped in making assumptions. You have continued to do so. This is not a thread that is specific to Khelif and Lin. Attempting to impose your viewpoint on others does not reflect well on you.

I don't understand how the trans rights activists can say that this Khelif DSD controversy has nothing to do with the trans issue, you know because Khelif isn't trans.

In general if you are going to permit transwomen with XY chromosomes compete in women's sport then that policy would have to apply to everyone, i.e. including those with DSD's. If chromosomes don't matter for transwomen they why would they matter for those with DSD's. How could you have a policy where transwomen can compete with XY but those with XY DSD's can't.

Whether it's 5 or 5 or 9 year old is irrelevant. The claim was pre-pubertal children. 6 is simply mid range value.

You can't conflate HRT or other hormone supplementation with the above. People on HRT/TRT are directly taking the target hormone, it's pretty easy to target a physiological level.

it would be madness to have someone aiming for levels way below those of a female adult of the same age. 

How exactly do you think that aim for any level? Not sure if you misread the post, or just
I highly doubt the claim is bullshit. It's not something I've looked into. But I imagine it's common knowledge medically.

But the argument is a false equivalence. They are trying to generalise all trans-athletes, into that group. which is dishonest at best.

The reason I mentioned "aiming for a hormone level" is by analogy with thyroid hormone treatment, where there is definitely an attempt to bring, and the keep, the person's thyroid level up to the lowest possible level that is still within the "normal" range. Their thyroid level is closely monitored, and if it goes up a little, even if the person themselves feels better at that level, the doctor will insist on reducing the level for safety reasons.

Since artificial hormones like testosterone are also dangerous over the long term, I presume that blood levels are similarly monitored. I don't know that personally, but the person who posted that they had the levels of 6 year old is clearly implying that their levesl are monitored - how else would they know that?

(I agree with the main thrust of your post, BTW - so far as I can work out what it is!)

What was known? Khelif's sex? I thought that was still unconfirmed??

I saw a tweet from Amy Broadhurst, who beat Imane Khelif a few years ago, saying that if it turned out that Khelif was male, she (Amy) would be furious at having been put in a ring with her. If it wasn't known by the women fighting her, so how would the public know?

LOL I see you're still unwilling/unable to express an opinion on the new Domestic Violence Freestyle competition.

CHEEK SWAB

Once in a lifetime, denoting the DNA/Sex of any individual, and seeing as one cannot change sex, it is the ultimate & watertight test. Previously used up until & includin the Barcelona games of 1992.

My suspicion is that if the two boxers in question had been swabbed they would almost definitely be clasified as men. /he/him.

But we don't know for sure YET.

If their sex is still unconfirmed why do you constantly refer to them as male?