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DART+ (DART Expansion)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,668 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Yes, the most extensive disruption will be at Glasnevin station (not part of this railway order) the length of time is something that is yet to be coordinated between metrolink and IÉ but could be many months at a time. Perhaps the either the MGWR or the GSWR can be kept open at all times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭The Mathematician


    Presumably it would also be relatively easy to install a turnback at Broombridge, so people could still get to town using the Luas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭Kevtherev1


    Kishoge Train Station Opening

    I was listening to newstalk 10am news bulletin it was either last friday or saturday morning Aug 2nd/3rd August. They reported that Kishoge Train Station is opening the end of August 2024. I looked online but could not find any confirmation of this. Keep and eye on media so for end of August



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭DaBluBoi


    I note that the new timetable they announced back in May is to commence on the 25th of this month, so that date would make the most sense for opening it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    I was on a train from Sligo today and had that exact thought when passing Broombridge, it looks like there's disused platforms there that could be repurposed as a turn back. Mind you they are past the main station so not sure how a connection could be accommodated.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,907 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Sounds like the remnants of the old Liffey Junction station.

    Assuming line is down west of Broombridge, passengers can disembark at Broombridge, then train continues a short distance to siding, the train then is brought back to Broombridge and train heads west again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,968 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    It will be interesting to see how they tender the DART+ W construction/civil works. If it will be one big contract or if they'll separate into various elements, for example line works, Spencer Dock area, Glasnevin Junction, etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,668 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Separated is most likely given the different specialities with one big one for electrification of the entire route and then one for Spencer Dock, one for Connolly upgrade, one for bridges etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,968 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Yes I think that makes a lot of sense but would involve preparing several different tender packages, assessing and awarding them. You then need all the dominos to fall one after another. Although IÉ don't seem to mind that, they have three separate contracts going on down in Cork.



  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭Bsharp


    This link has a presentation on their thoughts late last year

    https://issuu.com/railindustry/docs/dart_presentation_-_no_videos.pptx



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,684 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    I notice (on Google ) that there seems to be a lot of siding at Enfield train station, be nice if they put the depot there, then they would also have to extend DART to Enfield/Kilcock :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭p_haugh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,862 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Regarding Kilcock, I think it would be fine with one platform provided there were one or two bypass tracks. Unlike Maynooth which has two universities, and so makes a good interchange between Sligo/Longford services and short haul Commuter soon-to-be-DART.

    It would be perfectly fine IMHO for Kilcock to be put onto the DART network with terminal platform(s) while Sligo/Longford services bypass the town altogether.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,249 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Unless I'm seriously misreading the market presentation that Irish Rail made, there'll be multiple tenders:

    • Spencer Dock station
    • Depot
    • Signalling/telecoms and electrification - one tender for all lines
    • Permanent way - one tender for all lines
    • Civil engineering and structural - tender per line

    They have indicative values and I can't figure out why the PW costs for South West are so damn high compared to the other lines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    South West includes four-tracking the approach to Heuston, which in turn means reworking some heavily trafficked road bridges, notably the complex where N4 meets the South Circular. Doing that work without jamming the entire western approach to Dublin will take a lot of careful, and expensive, planning.

    Electrification of the PPT is also in this package, and that's going to be expensive job just as a result of the confined space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,249 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    But the bridges etc will be in civils/structure (which is also high for SW); and electrification is in signalling/electrification.

    It may be an error as to which package the value was against.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,835 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Interesting that the DART+ Coastal South section mentions increasing DART frequency from 6 trains per hour per direction to 12 trains PHPD. Or to put it another way a DART every 5 minutes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Point taken about civils, but PPT has to be the most complex tracklaying job in the project, and the four-tracking to Heuston means moving a lot of the existing track too. Widening the way here is so tight that it requires anchoring retaining walls diagonally under other properties.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,111 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    The presentation said they would construct in early 2025 but that was assuming Dec 2023 for RO. That was 8 months late so looks like August 2025 is the new construction start date.

    Though as outlined by someone, there will be multiple packages so they will start at different times.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭Ireland trains


    Wasn’t there talk of a turnback somewhere along the line (Dún Laoighre?) so that not all 12 would go as far as Bray.

    Would be amazing to see trains every 5min tho!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,819 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Initial paths per hour I read from Dart+ west plans connected to dart+ coastal south were

    • Drogheda Bray - 5 tph
    • Malahide Greystones - 2 tph
    • Clongriffin Bray - 2 tph
    • Maynooth Bray - 3 tph



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,668 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Yes looks likely to be about now next year, Give or take a couple of weeks, we'll know more when the D&B packa go out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,668 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    The proposal to have DART every 5 minutes between Bray and Connolly is now no longer possible due to the abandonment of the DART+ Coastal South public consultation which included the closure of 4 south city level crossings. A 5 minute frequency would mean permanent closure of those gates.



  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭Paul2019


    There was a 5 minute service at the rush hours when the DART was commissioned in 1984.

    I have fond memories of just seeing an inbound DART at Salthill pulling away (missed by seconds) only to see the following DART a few hundred metres away. For a while it was like having a continental standard of service when there was no need to run for a train and the timetable didn't matter.

    That 5 min service was eroded over time - maybe to fit more diesels in or have safety standards changed?.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Always struck me as odd that the closure of all the level crossings on the Dart+ West line was an absolute non-negotiable from the start, but for the Coastal South line, they only talked about examining the options and then just threw their hat at the entire thing.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,835 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    One way or another, today or 10 years from now, they will have to come back to it.

    I completely understand why they want to avoid the controversy of it for now and just get going with the other DART+ projects, but once they are well under way, I expect they will be back to it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,668 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    The threat of JR is much greater in an area with Karen's, solicitors and judges coming out of the woodwork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,819 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Taken from the coastal north plans



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    The problem LCs in Coastal South are on streets that can’t easily be just turned into cul-de-sacs - often the street that DART is cutting through is the only east-west road until… the next street that the DART cuts through. Bridges will be required, but there are really only a couple of places (e.g., Sepentine Ave) where there’s good room either side for a road bridge over the railway. Unlike West, where the line is bounded by the natural barrier of the Royal Canal, the city crossings in South cut right through residential streets.

    Lansdowne Road is probably the most difficult example. Here any permanent removal of the LC would require a bridge to carry traffic (even just pedestrian/bikes) over the tracks, because the stadium and the River Dodder mean that there’s no other short way between one end of the road and the other. Raising the DART over the road is impossible, as the height of the station is governed by the stadium that hangs over it - even lowering the level of the DART tracks to reduce the height of the necessary road bridge is likely to be impossible, because that would require rebuilding the station. It’s a difficult problem.

    Some of the commentary around this has been unhelpful too. Framing this problem as the objections of a load of old rich snobs who won’t give up their drive-everywhere lifestyle is lazy and incorrect: blocking these streets would dramatically reduce permeability for everyone and would increase congestion elsewhere, but most importantly it would put up obstacles to active travel - by forcing a long detour for any journey across the rail lines, you pretty much guarantee additional car use.

    I suspect the designs may end up as a mixture of road-over-rail bridges at a couple of crossings, but at other places, the car route will be stopped, and only cycle and foot access will be provided over the rails. For instance, I think this latter idea is the only practical option available at Lansdowne Road.



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