Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

So much biology & biological talk in this thread, its like biology Central, with any talk of men or women needing to be supplemented with biology in case somebody might think a female is a male woman or whatever, can't people just say men & women anymore . . . .

Anyway, I'm sticking with men & women, seeing as I know what they are. I'm also married to a woman, a woman being an adult human female/ xx chromosomes.

… a man being the male of our species.

I picked up the DSD detail from Mara Yamauchi (See post #6875) where she talks very knowledgeably about the two boxers in question. The DSD info is within the first two mins of the video.

Clearly someone that never boxed a day in there life lol The advantages are devastating and its across the board. To deny that is to completely deny reality.

Strength is absolutely a factor in boxing, from everything from taking a punch to giving one, I mean if its all so technical and strength doesnt matter lets let Anthony Joshua into woman's light weight boxing see what happens.

You would be see deaths, the strength of his punches and the power behind him would astronomical, his ability to walk thru there punches absolutely unphased would be ridiculous.

So yeah lets put to bed the "strength doesn't matter" it most certainly does obviously this is an extreme example to highlight the fact but the principles are the same in regards to a life long male transitioning.

Why haven't we natural human Transgenders then why is it a chemical and surgical process why don't they naturally transition if that's what nature intended?

We are discussing humans here by the way i have no intention of going into a cross specie debate to try and pretend transgender in humans is natural it simply isn't.

This is a fact there is no known case of a human naturally without aid transforming into the opposite sex.

I honestly dont understand how its even debatable, its common sense.

Nikki Hiltz in the women's 1500m heats today, qualifying comfortably.

Which if course is true.

But it does ruin it for the people who think identity trumps everything as surely they shouldn't be in the women's race if they don't identify as female.

For example Layisha Clarendon plays in the WNBA (the W stands for womens) and identifies as non-binary (i.e. not a woman) , she's got loads of praise from the usual sources which is fair enough but the same people who argue if you identify as a woman it means you're a woman don't seem to have a problem with Layisha playing in the WNBA despite Layisha not identifying as a woman.

Logic doesn't come into it for a lot of people they just always go with the "favour to supposed minority/marginalised group" approach at all times irrespective of it being contradictory or lacking common sense.

Can you explain to us why you think there are separate categories for male and female if (according to you) being male confers no advantages?

Well exactly, her self proclaimed Transgend Non-binary title has no relevance whatsoever, and yet its all we hear about when her name is mentioned, always talking about representing "her trans community" in the games!

In actual fact she is just the same as the rest of the 1500m field in that she is a normal xx woman👍

i watched Kheilf against the Hungarian Hamori earlier in the tournament and simple jabs were rocking Hamori back and putting her off her rhythm allowing Khelif to follow up and score more points. It’s clear Kheilf’s power is a huge advantage.

Harrington and Broadhurst are superior technical boxers and were able to avoid and dominate. That doesn’t negate Kheilf’s unfair advantage.

Bottom line is that Khelif is a low level male boxer but is able to compete and win against elite women due to power and speed advantages.

Could you explain how it is "hysterical" to describe a person with XY chromosomes punching people with XX chromosomes as anything other than "a man beating up women"?

The IOC decided in 1999 - against the wishes of more than 80% of the female athletes asked about it - to remove eligibility tests for the female category, and to accept a mere inspection of documents instead. FINA and several other world governing bodies have reinstated sex tests. There's a very simple, sensible reason for that.

The IOC seems to think the passport is the get out of jail card when in fact it at the very least shows how little they care for womens sport.

Cant do that as mistakes happen with children with DSD which only become obvious when kids hit teenage years.

If it went as you said then there would be no issue with Khelif as she was observed to be female at birth as children suffering with certain forms of DSD can be even though they have internal testes which becomes more obvious the older they get.

Another huge advantage of these ‘XY’ boxers is not having to go through their ‘time of the month’. I think that is being overlooked in these conversations. It’s even more true for boxers than other sports as not only do they have to compete in tournament that last weeks but also have to weigh in on fight day for every single fight or the competition.