Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all! We have been experiencing an issue on site where threads have been missing the latest postings. The platform host Vanilla are working on this issue. A workaround that has been used by some is to navigate back from 1 to 10+ pages to re-sync the thread and this will then show the latest posts. Thanks, Mike.
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Kilkenny GAA Thread

1257258260262263274

Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 32 upnorth




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    The Boro team often don't get old, usually they have a young team as there is usually lots of young lads coming through and for some reason the lads tend to finish up at a younger age than many other clubs.

    Last night by my count 9 of the Boro starters were 18-22. 3 were making their senior debut and a further 5 who had 1 full year under their belt. Looking at the options on the bench where 10 of the 12 on the bench under 20. If they want to make it at this level their going to have to grow up quick but there is little doubt last nights team was a young team, unless you think the above makes them harden old warriors for the road at senior level in Kilkenny?



  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭Alonzo Moseley


    Im not questioning the standard of players, playing Fitzgibbon, I'm questioning its value as a competition in 2024?

    What does it add?

    The UL 2018 team was a total pisstake, pretty much an entire team made up of established top class inter county players and All ireland medalists, some of them (Tony Kelly, John Mc Grath, Jason Forde) already in their mid 20s, the rest mostly 22/23.

    UL didnt make these players, they were already made.

    Post edited by Alonzo Moseley on


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭blackcard




  • Registered Users Posts: 42 Hurlingtothebone


    Very poor for UCC are you for real. When UCC took him off they went completely out of the game. Obviously watching a different game. Your problem with Joe Fitz on this forum is a joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Village87


    Loads of time for him to stand out at club level. How did he play today ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 42 Hurlingtothebone


    Very True for him and all the young players. Hopefully they all go well.g



  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭Alonzo Moseley


    He played very well at midfield for 40 mins and looks in great nick, but was anonymous in last 20 mins.

    Standard of Conahy v Dunamaggin was excellent, would be senior level in almost any other county

    Village very ragged today (Thomastown looked comfortable even before the two reds), and surely will be happy to stay mid division this year and blood some good young players.

    Not sure Zach Bay Hammond will ever make it at senior IC but his hurling is definitely improving.

    The Clubber coverage is incredible and could get me divorced!



  • Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭droppingball


    Likewise don't think I have ever watched as much hurling in two days, roll on tomorrow.

    Dicksboro short passing was to feet at times, expected more from them but reckon they will come good. Great heart from Tullaroan and some nice scores thrown in.

    O loughlins didn't really have to hit top gear to beat Clara. Owen Wall looked very dangerous when he got on ball.

    Thomastown moved the ball well and looked like they could have won by more, tucker hanrahan and stephen donnelly looked lively up front, looked like bad injury to Jay Burke who will be a huge loss.

    Village might be few forwards short but Cian Kenny is a proper player and was very good on the ball but needed more help. Won't get easier for them with the boro next week, ttown and the bridge will be a cracker.

    Great to have the club stuff back.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    I thought John Donnelly had a huge game for Thomastown today 4pts from play and contributed so many other scores as well. I thought they could have won by more if they had played a few low balls in front of their forwards ,they kept putting in high ball. I also thought the forwards bar JD were nervy enough and didn’t have confidence in there own abilities this will surely bring them on today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    unbelievable , i have been keeping tabs on the waterford and tipp hurling championships the last few weeks the start of the kilkenny championship is going to be problematic for the next 6 or 8 weeks and i only watched the dicksboro v tullaroan game last night ,

    standard is very high in kilkenny on the basis of last night



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Village87


    The senior and Intermediate championships look very open this year. All of a sudden there must be 7/8 team in senior that think they have a chance. Village, Shamrocks, Boro not as strong as once was and OLG could be beaten on there day as a lot of teams do not fear them. Great to see an open championship, teams like Tullaroan, Thomastown, Mullinavat, Ballycallan, Bennetsbridge could beat the big 3 on any given day.

    Post edited by Village87 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    Are you including the Village in the big three?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    KK in 2014 we had five top class free takers Henry,TJ,Richie Power,Richie Hogan and Eoin Larkin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭jamesbond2022


    I think Mullen Cody or Donnelly can all be top class free takers for Kilkenny given time and practise I suppose they have never had to take them on a regular basis due to they club having good free takers

    Similar to Henry taking over from dj and Tj taking over from Henry the baton will be passed on from Tj



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    but surely they should have someone in mind that would be sharing the frees at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Village87




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Marrooned




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭blackcard


    OLG look the strongest to me. Not sure how many of the Ballyhale lads are going to be back and Kenny and Gaffney will be a loss to the Boro. Thomastown brought big support to their match, their home match next week against the Bridge should be good. Glenmore were missing Alan Murphy, Ian Byrne and Ger Aylward didn't start today but I thought they were poor. Bridge looked good but hit a lot of wides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭Neewollah


    Clubber coverage has been excellent this week. Great to be able to look back through all the games at your leisure if you buy the weekly or yearly pass.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Village87


    Any real stand outs ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    It's valued highly by those involved both players and management, it should be valued by intercounty managers and I think most do as it's the highest standard in GAA outside of intercounty, so if you want to see if lads in your panel can mix it then it's an excellent breeding ground.

    You don't value it because with due respect judging by your posts you mindset is very insular towards Kilkenny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭Neewollah


    From the games I was at/watched on clubber:

    OLG - Eoin Wall

    Boro - Harry Shine, Kevin Moore

    Tullaroan - Paul Buggy, Mossy

    Thomastown - Stephen Donnelly

    Bennettsbridge - Timmy Kelly, Sean Morrissey, Liam Blanchfield

    Glenmore - Cathal Beirne

    GBC - Sean Ryan

    St Martins - Sean Hunt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    it’s good to see Sean hunt up there I think he’s a prospect.



  • Registered Users Posts: 44 lob it in


    Went to three matches over the weekend:OLG and Clara-Olg looked very impressive moved the ball well and got some nice scores, Wall and Hogan done a lot of damage in the full forward line. Although they never looked like winning the game Clara had a good spirit about them and never gave up.

    Thomastown and Village:I thought Thomastown fully deserved their win and I think they would've won even without the sending offs, John Donnelly was class,Village look a bit limited, be interesting to see how Thomastown get on for the rest of the year.

    Bennetsbridge and Glenmore :Disappointing game purley because Glenmore were very poor they were missing four or five of their better players to be fair.Bridge look very good and could be a dark horse for the championship this year,they were very unlucky not to get to the final last year.

    On a side note I thought the refereeing in the three games was very good.And the spreading out of the times of matches gives people a good opportunity to take in a few more matches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    ye but not at noon on a Saturday. On the beer last night a lot of rumours still that all three managers back in place, no one was happy not one person, if it was a survey the county board would lose by a 99.9% margin. From what I heard all three managers will be reinstated but there may be changes in the backroom teams



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭blackcard


    I thought Jordan Molloy and Luke Hogan did well for OLG. Luke not afraid to take his man on. Paul Cody for Clara. John Donnely Thomastown. No one stood out for me in Vegas Comer match, Comer in particular were poor.



  • Registered Users Posts: 969 ✭✭✭conor05


    I see Fionan Mackessy of OLG won the Poc Fada up the Cooley mountains today for the 2nd year running.


    Clara’s Killian Phelan gave it a good effort by all accounts too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    I couldn’t get any info on Killian. Congratulations to Fionan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭Nedflanders02


    There's a county board meeting tonight, won't be at it myself (on holidays) but if all 3 are back they will more than likely be ratified tonight. I don't think there was ever much doubt that Lyng would be back, a little surprised if Bergin is coming back but as someone mentioned on this thread before with most of the team underage again next year there is logic in not changing, although personally I'd have made a change. If Dowling is back it really will be a big surprise, I don't think he's done enough to warrant another year.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    I don’t know how people think that Bergin is a better manager than Dowling, Bergin has 6 years on the job between manager and selector. No matter what people say Mark Dowling was certainly hampered in the two years he was manager, with Billy Drennan taken the first year and Killian Doyle the second year. Personally i wouldn’t have either of them , but I would have Dowling ahead of Bergin anyday of the week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 926 ✭✭✭Stationmaster




  • Registered Users Posts: 32 upnorth


    I agree totally that Mark Dowling was hampered by circumstances. So why not give him another year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    two questions

    1/ Are the county board to ratify the management teams tonight.

    2/ If they do not agree what happens then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭JJs Left Hand


    I don't think picking essentially the same half back line with the same obvious weaknesses 2 years running and then not recognising those weaknesses were being specifically targeted until too late in the two games they lost is good enough at that level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭JJs Left Hand


    Confirmed they've all been ratified with management teams TBC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Village87


    Don't get me started on the u20 shambles last 2 years . That u20 team was picked around Christmas time last year. Form, fitness, pace did not matter. Disgraceful carry on, and disgraceful that Dowling is allowed back in, shameful carry on. I suppose I'm not surprised with the carry on and poison politics in Kilkenny the last 10 years



  • Registered Users Posts: 257 ✭✭Pigeon Chaser


    Bergin didn't deserve another year after the failure in the AIF



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    and you have nothing to say on the Bergin appointment?



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    The minor final was one of our darkest days no question about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭Neewollah


    As i mentioned in a previous post Bergin was always going to be given another year. Its by far the most successful year he's had over the team. IMO he should have been moved on last year after a few poor years for our minors but whatever the County Board review system is, if he survived the previous years reviews, he was always going to survive this year.

    Under 21s, I don't have a huge issue with Dowling staying in place. While yes, some selection mistakes were made many things were done to hamper him too of which the senior management need to answer for.

    Lyng was never in doubt but he needs to clean house and start with awhole.new panel. I saw a lot of club games this weekend and the standard is excellent. There are plenty of hurlers out there worth a shot if managed correctly and given a proper chance. Better than some on the current panel who are either gone past it or who have never been proven themselves for their clubs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    county board meeting, proposed, seconded and carried, no vote for the members this is a **** joke a dictatorship. Why wasn’t there a competition formed for the three jobs and go through a selection process this was a lazy way out and then they will tell us that nobody went for the jobs. I am absolutely fuming. This is certainly after taking the sheen off of Kellie’s gold for me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭KK36


    There is the scope for a vote but in order to do that somebody has to say that there are against the proposal.

    1. The Chairman says they are putting x forward for y position.
    2. Somebody (normally from x's club) formally proposes x for the position.
    3. Somebody else from the floor seconds the proposal.
    4. The option to disagree with the motion is with the delegates. Any opposition will trigger a vote on the proposal.
    5. If there is no opposition to the proposal x is deemed ratified.

    The fact that all three were ratified suggests to me that there was no opposition from the delegates to any of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭randd1


    On the county championships, is there anything to be said for a slight changing the structure of the Senior/Intermediate competitions so that the bottom two sides in the group phase are out after all rounds played, and then the rest are straight to QF's, no league/shield finals?

    It would certainly add more bite to the group phase if there was a chance you'd finish outside the top four and be out of the championship. As it is you could lose all your group games and still win the county title (meaning you could in winning the county title lost more games than you've won), surely something more cut-throat would spice it up a bit?

    I know the structure has served us well over the years, but could it not do with an update? One of the reasons I think it could do so is we seem to have a fair amount of younger players at club level, which is a good thing, and a more cut-throat competition may be better for their development, and therefore better for the county overall.

    It would also give us the added bonus of one less round at Senior/Intermediate, so we could space out the game more so we can go to more of the games.

    Obviously Junior is a bit different to the two higher grades so leave well enough alone there.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭Nedflanders02


    The reason that league/shield finals are played are that if they aren't played your grade is set if you play in the first round of league, which means if teams are short of numbers early in the competition and they bring on a couple of young lads from the junior team they are then gone from junior and can't play again, whereas if they play a league/shield final your grade isn't set until you play a knockout game and usually by the junior competitions are out of the way. I'm not saying your proposal dosen't have logic but that's the reason they play the league finals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭randd1


    Thanks for the clarification. I suppose when you put it that way it makes perfect sense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭KK36


    If I was making a change I'd work out some way for the loser of the first round knockout game between the teams who finished 3rd and 4th to get a second chance.

    Finish 5th at the moment and you get to play the worst team in the other group. Finish 4th and you get one of the best teams in the other group. Hardly fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭Nedflanders02


    I wonder if we had it that the 2 bottom placed teams went straight to the relegation play off and not have the first round element and everyone else went straight to the quarter final, it would make the group stages far more important and would cut out some of the bigger teams coasting through the group stages and make the games far more competitive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    So really you’re telling me that it was a unanimous decision to appoint all three managers. That’s unbelievable the minor manager was involved with the minors for six years and what was won, we lost to Laois 2 years ago and they didn’t even go on to win Leinster and then bet by thirteen man Tipp in our own backyard actually we were made a laughing stock,and what if he loses this year what will be the outcome then. I sincerely doubt if anyone was approached for any of the jobs.

    At least the senior and U20 managers have only two of the three years done the minor management went full term, so are they getting rewarded for winning a Leinster. Someone said earlier that having the same management back after winning Leinster makes sense, well it doesn’t to me I just cannot figure out some people’s logic they will be inheriting a good team this year. But we had one last year and they made a total bollox of it. I want to put the question to all posters what’s the least we expect from the minor management team next year I can’t wait to hear your answers.



  • Advertisement
Advertisement