Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

That and the panicy "scatter-shot" posting of our "centrist" friends on here kind of amplifies the panic setting into the Weird World of MAGA.

"Quick! Think of a nickname for Kamala! Anything at all, just get one out there!!"

"It's not working?!! Ok, focus back on Biden, bring him up! I don't f**king care if he isn't the nominee anymore, just give us something!!"

Like Trump he has been declining. However that happened very visibly and abruptly during the debate - which ended his political career. Likewise if Trump started stuttering during a rally or debate, his would be over.

That's not to be confused with contrarians and Trump supporters who've been repeatedly claiming that he's been "too old" since the get-go. I've never been "vilified" for stating my opinion that Biden was too old for a 2nd term, but that comes from a place of support, not of contrarian agitation, which I suspect is the cause of the persecution complex.

The child mind line gave me a laugh. Can you think of a worse person to mind children than someone who's an adjudicated sex offender, that thought nothing of walking into changing rooms of underage girls at his child beauty pageants, that regularly visited his good friend Epstein's island where he's been repeatedly accused of having raped children and that has repeatedly made lascivious remarks about his own daughter in public?

I mean, let's be honest, I think any parent who loved their child would rather see the scumbag back in the oval office than anywhere near their daughter if given a binary choice. Luckily it's not a binary choice and Putin's pet pervert should end up behind bars after Harris wins the election.

Did I miss something? Is Biden the nominee again?

Honest question.

Do you feel people shouldn't be allowed change their minds when given new information?

Because it sounds like that's what you're suggesting.

"You supported Biden, you should always support Biden, regardless of what happens."

Sorry pal, but that's only true for MAGA heads. They support Trump regardless of finding out about him being a rapist and a fraud.

I believe the current 'slogan du jour' fits:

"That's just a bit weird."

Jesus Christ it’s like that speech last night punched MAGA into last month they are still going on and on about “Brandon”

Do they realize they are racing against Harris/Walz now or are they trying to throw the towel in already

Family chat is blowing up this morning about the speech last night

Family chat never discusses politics (fishing and hockey) but now even my own mother is fired the hell up. The dynamics of the election have completely changed. It feels like ‘08 again.

You say "serious commentators" as if we're not all just a bunch of people on a website giving our own opinions or speculation based on available information. Information or circumstances change, and it's only prudent that those opinions and speculation change with that.

Speaking only for myself, I didn't like that we ended up with Biden in 2020, but looking back he probably was the best pick to beat Trump. His Presidency has been okay, but I didn't want him to run again for 2024 (pretty sure he'd said he was only going to serve one term). But he won the Primaries, so f*ck it, he was going to be the nominee. Then the debate happened, and he was fairly abysmal. I still don't think he has shown enough signs of any kind of tangible cognitive impairment that should have excluded him from running again, and I thought even regardless of Dems asking him to step down I didn't think he would, not at this stage.

But he did. In fairness to him, he listened, he reassessed, he knew it was most likely he'd lose, so he stepped aside. People can post all they want about some shadowy group of "doyens" forcing him out in an undemocratic coup, but the fact remains he won the Primaries and if he didn't decide himself to step down, he likely still would have been the nominee following the DNC.

Circumstances change. If Biden had decided not to run again before the Primaries and there were more Dems putting their name forward, Harris may not have even won. And so most of us would likely be supporting whoever the new Dem nominee was. But because Biden stepped down when he did, Harris became the presumptive nominee (because at the very least, the Biden/Harris ticket won the Primaries) and no other Dem candidates really put their name forward. So now we're supporting Harris.

Circumstances change. Since he lost the 2020 election, Trump has engaged in trying to prevent that election being certified, rallied his followers to go to the Capitol to disrupt the certification, been charged with numerous crimes, been found liable for sexual assault, and spends half his rallies talking about Hannibal Lecter and fearing being electrocuted by a boat with a battery. Yet people still support him.

MAGA tries desperately to choke on ‘memberberries of running a half assed campaign ahead in the polls against an aging Joe Biden

It’s a wonder all these “did I say I support Trump” Trump supporters are trying to derail the thread with similar nonsense, they have their marching orders

Ah bless, it's all they have. Like rats trapped in a barrel, they will start eating each other soon.

The 'weird' description makes more and more sense the more you see who is campaigning for trump. All of them weird and also deplorables. No wonder they are so rattled, a simple word to describe them to perfection

Well that settles it; time to go and camp out at Dealy Plaza again for months on end while we wait for him to turn up.

It's worth pointing out, that it was the extreme Q-Anon cohort of MAGA that did this wierd nonsense back in the day when some idiot invented the idea of a long-dead Democrat returning from the dead to join Trump and return him to the White House mid-term without an election. And for reasons not explained (or explainable) a number of them ended up camping at the location of the assasination of JFK.jr's father for an embarressingly long amount of time.

This is the heart of where we are folks. We have one side of the political spectrum taking stock of things that have happened and adjusting strategy according to what we see & what we hope will work best. Then we have the other side, the wierdos, who will ignore reality despite it being exactly what they need to do for themselves. They will ignore the unsuitablity of Trump to run anything let alone a nation, and stick with him. They will ignore the undemocratic and extreemist behaviour of MAGA and echo everything they say despite the threat their ideas might eventually be to them. And they'll believe someone so much that a dead man will turn up in Dallas to magically make their chosen canditate president that they'll sit there for days to make believe it will happen.

So go on, our "I don't like Trump, but…" MAGA friends. Keep focusing on everyone elses ability to think about the world and adjust our opinions. Then take a long hard look at why you still find yourself cheerleading for a man who's best soundbite lately is taking about fictional cannibal, and is so god damned thick that he thought that nuking a hurricane was a good idea.

Because despite all of this belated finger wagging about Biden…*your* guy is still Donald F**king Trump, the single worst American President in history, who was so childish and corrupt that he couldn't even leave office without trying to wreck democracy in the process.