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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,834 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    No problem, for the call from the energy provider I don't think I'd pay any attention to accent. I get loads of legit calls to and from companies where I hear different accents, I don't think anything of it. I'd be thinking of the tell tale signs of scam call, who phoned who, what details are they asking for etc.

    For the guys on the street late at night I'd go by demeanor. If they're laughing and joking amongst themselves I wouldn't think there's much of a threat, if I'm getting sideways looks and sussed out I would.



  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭whatever.


    They'll fingerprint you so a matter of minutes to identify you and a handful of hours before you are forcibly removed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,544 ✭✭✭✭Geuze




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,834 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    You think UN refugee camps are safe?

    There are countless examples like this.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2009/09/chad-refugee-women-face-high-levels-rape-inside-and-outside-camps-despit/&ved=2ahUKEwjTxND_p-GHAxVmVEEAHcwrO1YQFnoECCcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2WalTJbl6Jg3QAYpv738AX



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,834 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Why would you even bother trying to misrepresent like that?

    I said safer in the short term if possible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,544 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    If the USA can do this, in a matter of hours/days, then why can't we?

    If we could reject and remove bogus AS from safe countries in a matter of hours/days, it would be a great help.

    It would save the taxpayer millions, it would reduce the demand on DP accomm, and the public would support it.

    As can be seen from the list below, we could remove thousands of bogus AS from Georgia, Algeria, South Africa, Botswana, Albania.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,458 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    That wasn't the point.

    Point of order, 23% of Ukrainians arriving were males over 20. That's approx 25,000.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Great post. It's truly terrifying the potential future for our kids and grandkids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,834 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    We can't do it because we don't have pre clearance as the US does (I think it's coming with the migration pact)

    Pre-clearance makes it extremely unlikely anyone will come via airlines who might potentially need to be deported, so the airlines will perform these small numbers and the departure countries will accept.

    That's not to say people won't come another route of course so really it's much ado about nothing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭whatever.


    As it's the State

    1. They don't want to

    The State has in effect limitless resources the only reason it doesn't do something is because the people directing policy simply doesn't want to.

    For reference the State still and immediately at the time objected to the Apple tax ruling placing the full weight of it's resources in opposition to the EU.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭whatever.


    You cited an article from 15 years ago and just proved why those who frustrate the refugee process should be viewed as extreme security risks, being possible rapists and murderers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭whatever.


    You undermine your own point, taking it without citation it still means 77% are women and children the typical profile of refugees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,064 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Reminds me of some in this thread

    https://x.com/stephennolan/status/1820740890152907239?s=46&t=k14oqLOFNUHHG74wJWe-fQ



  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Repro212


    Meanwhile, over in the UK, right in the middle of all the rioting, Labour apparently planning Operation Scatter, which will see around 100,000 'asylum seekers' dispersed to hotels, converted nursing homes and private rentals across the country - sound familiar? They certainly know how to read the room. Jellyfish Starmer, the great leader who didn't have the balls to define a woman, will crack long before his term is up.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/labour-accused-of-putting-illegal-migrants-ahead-of-britons-in-housing-queue/ar-AA1okxfM



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,458 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    My point was about racism being involved in the immigration protests. It was to do with skin colour. Some poster said it was never anything to do with racism which is utterly deluded.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 993 ✭✭✭boetstark


    In fairness with alot of people protesting it just happens that the current IPA's are coloured orwhatever the PC wording is these days.

    Lots of coloured people have to to ireland legitimately with work visasand nobody had an issue.

    I'm sure some protestor have racist intentions though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,834 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I think it's social media's big technical breakthrough - The hatebot

    Whatever input you give them they just spew back hatred.

    I've heard of people training AI models, but I think it's working both ways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,544 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    So you are saying that if we wanted to, the State could remove bogus AS within a matter of hours/days, like, the USA does?

    This would save the taxpayer millions, by popular with the general public, and should discourage further illegal immigration.

    A vote winner.

    You'd wonder why it isn't done?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Or maybe it's a cause for reflection that whether society is monocultural or multicultural there will always be those who sow division and find an "other" to hate and blame for the perceived ills of this world — and who make the simplistic subtraction calculation that simply removing or repelling the existence of that "other" fixes the world around them. The Brits, the Prods, the Fenians, the Papist Free State seeking to devour the Protestant heartlands of Ulster — it's easy to sew up those divisions when you can sow new ones.

    And then, in God's good time, the day will come when certain great-grandchildren of people born-and-bred on this island (themselves the descendants of migrants— just as we all are) will find commonality with certain great grandchildren of Eastern European, Asian and African migrants to find common hatred of the next batch of migrants. And just like the guy with Stephen Nolan the other day who claimed that Sandy Row was a great place before the foreigners arrived, they will eulogise and romanticise the halcyon days when Ireland was great back in 2024.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    That last paragraph - we really, really won't. "Look son, I can remember when all this were tents…."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,707 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    There's no plan to address this.

    In an ordinary functioning country, any person should be able to get a job, save up for a deposit, take out a mortgage, then buy a house.

    Instead we're jamming as many people into the country as possible while Simon Harris loudly proclaims that there's no housing/accommodation crisis.

    It's all just wilful incompetence at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,326 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    They do have an issue with legal immigrants of colour. I've seen loads of those X accounts that rile up hatred like that Ferg whatever guy posting pictures of Indians queueing up to buy houses for e.g. saying they're taking over etc. Indians come here to work legally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,326 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    How do we know usa deports people within hours if you have no passport? I would imagine the person would need to be detained for a long time while they sort papers etc. I'm not sure even the mighty USA can dump anonymous people on planes and send them to countries that don't want anonymous people arriving.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,513 ✭✭✭prunudo


    ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,534 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    RTE or other Irish media have in the past said things like "a Cork Man" and it turns out to be a foreign guy from some backward country. It creates distrust

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭bloopy


    I am just curious as to how long it can continue.

    Surely nobody thinks that you can have a rapidly increasing population combined with a rapidly decreasing available rental housing stock, without serious repercussions down the line.

    Alteady the base rate for dumpy "studio" accomodation is at 800-1000 euro per month. It will increase as the pressure increases.

    It just seems like the current situation is in no way sustainable and it will break proper eventually.

    All the arguments in here about what should or should not be done are quickly becoming redundant as the weeks move on.

    The building in Coolock was supposed to accommodate 500 people. We have that many coming in every ten days now (possibly down to every 7 days by now). The easy accomodation has already been filled. At the current rate we could be looking at many more Coolocks and Newtown Mountkennedys before the end of the year.

    And that is just this year. The whole show will continue next year again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,326 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yep, no one has figured out a way of stopping migration to Europe so its not getting better any time soon. Maybe the EU migration pact will help. Maybe Europe should be looking at settling people back in their own countries, giving them financial incentives, investing in countries that have the most emigrants to Europe etc., it would work out better in the long run I'd say, spread the wealth.

    Even if we offer no shelter or food or anything many will still come as being homeless in France or ireland probably still has far more opportunities than being in Syria or Nigeria.



  • Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Sure we can say Europe should be doing more, but should Ireland not first be doing its bit as a member country by reducing the pull factor?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,460 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Yup Ireland has no deterrent, that's one of the biggest issues.

    Little things like:

    Taking away medical cards (imagine these illegals get this, it's so abhorrent to me)

    Stop giving them tents!!!!

    Reduce funding of immigration NGOs

    Quick turn around of processing migrates. No migrates should be waiting months and years for a decision.

    Reduce the amount of appeals including courts.

    Asking nicely to leave has to stop and instead they should be immigration officers escorting the illegals out.

    Above is just short term and the Government tomorrow should be preparing migrate centers outside Ireland like what Italy has done, this would stop the pull factor all together and stop the vested interest groups making money of this absolute blight in our country



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,940 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    More peaceful protests planned all across the UK this evening



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