Anyone else feel ashamed of getting the Covid shots?

So even the final words have no new insights, (because it's not a study is an opinion piece with no relevant data) and also still does not contradict what I said.

The article does not discuss macroscopic studies. Its simply throws it in. Quite the omission if that was a central argument. Its like a school kid repeating all the key words from a question, but not actually discussing them.

I simply said I've seen masks in hospital first hand. Then said it was ironic to be going to hospital if not believing in medicine.

"Heres an article that says nothing", is in no way a reasoned response to that.

Face mask is such a loose term. I have no doubt a properly worn N95 single use mask would offer protection of sorts. I have been fully trained in donning and doffing PPE. The correct procedure for a N95 is time consuming and complicated. The use of facemasks recently was comical. Those cheap blue masks that were reworn several times. Were filthy and covered in bacteria, Not to mention the cost and pollution generated. A waste of time/money and possibly hazardous to boot.

Covid spreads on aerosols and droplets exhaled from your mouth/nose, anything that limits that reduces the spread. Have a scarf over your mouth/nose, you'll exhale less than if you weren't wearing it. Some masks perform better than others. Remember this doesn't stop the spread, it reduces it (and distances of the particles)

Also, it's 2024, so whenever I come across someone "just asking questions" about masks, 100% of the time it's turned out to be some contrarian denier who is playing games, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt

And to pre-empt any potential quackery

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/03/scicheck-what-the-cochrane-review-says-about-masks-for-covid-19-and-what-it-doesnt/

https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-masks-effectiveness-covid-19-5641587-Dec2021/

And as for this

» Clogging up landfill with Covid infected pieces of cloth if they were actually filtering Covid

Well yes, there was mask waste everywhere so I agree with that. However Covid, depending on strain, generally doesn't live more than a few days (depending on surface), so the masks would have been "Covid infected" for very long.

Interesting fact: Masks and social distancing also had the side effect of dramatically reducing cases of seasonal flu, another respiratory disease also spread by, you guessed it, aerosols and droplets from mouths/noses.

I lived in a heavily populated Muslim district of Europe, I only saw half a dozen full Niqab's in years there, the vast majority were open Hijabs, so I guess would depend on the area, the prevalence of full face coverings, how effective they were and other factors. Likewise in e.g. Iran, the majority just cover the hair/neck.

So by the video if you have Covid infection your droplets are being contained within a face mask. Hopefully. So next time you exhale where do all the trapped Covid particles go? You have just condensed them into the fabric of a mask. And you are going to walk around a shop with the mask still on with all these viral particles being spread around. Would you not have been better off letting your cough or sneeze disperse naturally in close proximity without a mask to drag it around a whole supermarket or equivalent.

If you sat through a class on it there is a reason for a class on it so that should be self explanatory.

That's illogical.

It can't be both contained and not contained.

If it's trapped then it's not going to be spread. If it's not trapped, then there's nothing to spread.

I'm not saying that's how it works. But your examples as you've defined here make no sense logically. You've created a logic trap for yourself.

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…fcuking hell, seriously! seriously there wasnt a widescale conspiracy, there really wasnt, yes there were fcuk ups from governments and the pharma industry, pandemics are natural, they have always happened, and always will happen, yes there are serious questions about how and where this originated….

…please explain to us what you know now about this?

please be specific in what negligence and lies took place, and by whom?

its clearly obvious if the success of the global vaccine program didnt take place, we would now be in an extremely dangerous position, with the extreme likelihood of a serious global economic and social crisis, including widescale deaths directly and indirectly from the virus…

…other major benefits are now starting to occur directly from the success of the vaccine program including major advancements in the treatment of particular cancers….

Ah my apologies, I thought you were here to push the same script as a "new" poster I've seen dozens of times on the conspiracy forum

In that case, to address your earlier points, the vaccines are very safe (that doesn't mean 100% safe of course, there have been rare issues out of billions of doses delivered). The pharmaceutical companies did a pretty good job at producing the vaccines on scale within that time-frame and with a good safety record.

The disease was brand new, killing people and spreading rapidly around the world hence the alarm and concern reflected in the media.

Only the Austrian government threatened to make it mandatory because there was low uptake there which was causing significant issues at hospitals, that alone increased vaccinations and they didn't have to follow through (that aside there have been mandatory vaccinations, e.g. if you want to travel to any number of African countries you are required to be vaccinated against Yellow Fever)

didnt keep up with vaccines myself, and got covid, may or may not have been related, but id rather not get it again….

Wouldn't say ashamed because I was only following the advice at the time so got the 3 shots but won't be getting any more.

Never got sick from C19 but thats not to say I didn't get a light dose of it and just never knew it because my brother was laid up for 2 weeks with it and suffered the effects of it for months afterwards.