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Should we in Ireland be concerned about Jihad?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Indeed

    Just take a look at this for example, same old group, and it's not the scary far Rite!

    "On Wednesday, two people were arrested on suspicion of planning Islamist attacks on large events in the area around the Austrian capital.

    A statement from the organisers said: "Due to confirmation by government officials of a planned terrorist attack at the Ernst Happel Stadium, we have no choice but to cancel the three planned shows for everyone's safety."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,169 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Females enjoying themselves is not compatible with certain religions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Islam is a far right ideology even in its non existing moderate form.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Probably the British far right sleeper cells have been activated now.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,956 ✭✭✭enricoh


    After seeing yer man crashing his van through various government buildings last week and the time it took to apprehend him I wouldn't be inspired with it.

    Absolute scum targeting kids at Taylor swift, Ariana grande etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,938 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Yep it's scary times when a lone lunatic can do that.

    Imagine a planned terrorist attack like we see everywhere else.

    We are not unique, the stabbing a few months ago is just the first of what we have ahead of us.

    Yet the government seem to be doing nothing to increase the numbers of guards.

    Putting your head in the sand and pretending this won't happen here is foolish,I hope I am wrong but I doubt it and we should be ramping up numbers for the possibility of terrorist attacks seen all over Europe, i am sure their are dozens or hundreds failed ones we don't know about.

    Its time we got serious in this country about law and order, this oh everyone loves us and the UK will save us is not good enough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,341 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Between 1979 and 2019 Islamic terrorists killed 167,069 people, Far right terrorism exists but is nowhere near as widespread nor does it have a death toll (one death in any context is too much I might add) anywhere near that of Islamic terrorism.

    Saying that far right violence is a bigger concern that jihad is an exercise in pure unadulterated virtue signalling waffle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,590 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    What ware the figures between 1930 and 1945?

    We're talking NOW.

    (Also, where are you getting that number??)

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,341 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    WW2? That wasn't terrorism. It was an afront to humanity but not the same as a group of terrorist attacks.

    Why don't we discuss the estimated 100 million people killed by socialism in the last century for that matter?

    Would you like figures for people killed by radical Islam in the last week? How up to date do I need to be for you to be satisfied?

    It's estimated that Saudi Arabia kills an average of 140 people per year for violations of Sharia law, but that's just one country, not sure how many fascist regimes are killing every year but it's not very much considering that there hasn't been a recognised fascist regime in operation since the 1970's.

    Here's your link, looking forward to you taking issue with it.

    https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-the-world-1979-2019/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,590 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Oh, right, so were going by very specific time frames and geographic regions only you get to choose?

    Not really the basis for an equal debate, so I'll leave you here. PM me if you want yo be fair, or reply here if you don't.

    Oh, and I think.you can class the third reich as a terrorist organisation, but fell free to disagree.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,341 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    The Nazis were a political organisation. Hitler was voted into power by the German people. They were cvnts, but they weren't terrorists by any standard definition.

    Can you not just address the facts presented on the thread instead of whinging about your inability to counter the arguments being put forward?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Sky news was covering the UK riots live and saying it was the far right then behind them you see a group of Middle Eastern men with face coverings and hoods with knives and bats walking past them and they cut away, there was another video on twitter of them coming behind police with weapons, it’s bizarre stuff and that was why the Met police chief knocked the mic from the reporters hand.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cx2xxp7vw0no



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,956 ✭✭✭enricoh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,863 ✭✭✭SeanW


    If by "action on israel" you mean calls for its destruction ("From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free") then yes, I agree. What would happen to the 7 million Jews (almost half the world's total) who call that tiny embattled nation their home is of course never outlined.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,341 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    If there's one group of people that in practice, the left despise it's Jews.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,938 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Goes back to 1930 to 1945 to say the far right are a bigger danger to people's lives today.

    Peak boards far left progressive nonsense at its greatest, one of the better lies iv witneesed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    It’s the perceived wealth, the left hate anyone with money. The last election Trump was an antisemite this election the same people are attacking Jews.
    Ten years ago would the left be telling women to dress conservatively, attacking Jews, defend religion and a culture that treats women like second class citizens, blacklisting writers and comedians, strange days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,590 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    But but but what about 1975-2016 (or whatever the years were)

    But but but what about Muslims killed by Muslims?

    Hes rhe one who went historical, not me - take the whataboutery up with him.

    If you want t debate with me, then fine - but are we talking about a jihad right now or ten years ago, thirty yeats ago, a hundred years ago? And are we talking about a jihad in Ireland, Europe or anywhere on the planet?

    Because if we're talking Ireland (or the UK) now, then no - the jihadists aren't the ones to be concerned about. The UK riots weren't even about jihad, they were about immigration and, for some reason, a guy who was born in Cardiff is the main source of anger.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,282 ✭✭✭✭Liam O




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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭brickster69


    UAE Foreign Minister's prediction from 7 years ago.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Was the scumbag who stabbed the kids in Southport 'Islamic'? Hadn't seen it reported anywhere……Or are you assuming as much because of his name/parents' country of origin (which is less then 2% muslim)?

    I haven't seen any muslims burning buildings in Ireland, or smashing buses/trams, or looting bleeding Footlocker………and let's not forget, we have a deep and long history with terrorism in this country, almost exclusively carried out by 'Patriots' who have no qualms about bombing Irish men women and children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭csirl


    The irony is that the nazi's were socialists, so you could attribute the horrors of WW2 to the lefties - the clue is in the name - National Socialists.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels




  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    It's not that long ago where Irish people were despised by some and openly discriminated against because of the actions of the IRA. People have short memories (or weren't paying attention in History classes).

    Do you think this Southport stabber was a Muslim? Why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    I’m not sure why the media is using a picture of him when he’s the same age as his victims. Truly bizarre stuff from the media.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    The post 1960s IRA were terrorists, no question and I would describe myself as a Republican - but given that they killed fewer civilians in 30 years of armed conflict than Islamist terrorists did on one clear September day in 2001 - I think the fear of "jihad" is well established and based in fact.

    The murderer of the kids in Southport was, to my knowledge second generation Rwandan, born in Wales; ergo he's British. He could be a Welsh Baptist for all I know. He is evil, that's what matters.

    Given that the 7/7 bombers, this **** and so many others carrying out atrocities are second generation immigrants (and their parents - those that have been interviewed - seem normal stand up people, grateful for the safe country they are in and working hard to support a family) perhaps investigation needs to be carried out as to how their children are harming their own countries.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Manipulation by the media - humanising him, it's what our print media do - someone crashes a car off his ***s on drugs and kills five people, and the papers will show him at his First Communion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Another question dodger…Do you think he was Muslim? If yes, then why do you think that? If no, then why is he part of the discussion in this thread?……Why are you linking him with "jihad"? What has he or his parents got to do with being a Muslim?

    If him being evil is all that matters, then WTF are you banging on about 9/11 for? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.

    You admit he's British. Should we stop Brits from coming over here and living in Ireland? Why are you laying the crimes of a British man at the feet of the Islamic community and telling everyone he's the same as the 7/7 attackers? If it turns out he's a Christian, should we ban all Christians from entering the country? No? Only the Muslims then, when it's a Muslim attacker?

    And even when it's not a Muslim attacker, 'we'll blame them anyway', seems to be the cause du jour.

    Make it make sense, please.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    How am I dodging the question ? I'm sorry I'm done here, I've not the patience to go down whatever rabbit hole you're offering.



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