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Things you hate about Irish culture

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    A truly fucked up culture in a so called police force.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,349 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    There is nothing wrong with a police Force that police by consent. What's easier for everyone, a guard who apologies and says 'sure what can I do' or a guard who shouts at ya and says' you broke the law asshole '

    Always easier to catch bees with honey rather than vinegar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,448 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I don't hate it, but some people seem to know a lot about their neighbours. The "tight knit community, where everyone knows everyone elses business" syndrome. Or the Valley of the Squinting Windows.

    Nobody ever tells me about Gardai apologising to them for enforcing the law. Or from another thread, multiple Gardai telling a poster that they are paying criminals for cheap TV. During the water charges debate, one poster knew what letters their neighbours were getting in the post. I wouldn't have a clue what letters anyone on my street are getting.

    Sometimes I think these characters are on the wind up, and enjoy taking in gullible innocents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Didn't say there was. There's a culture in the AGS that is the problem. Apologising for enforcement is a step too far though. Way too far. Remember this is the country where a very decent man was called disgusting for being a whistle-blower by the head of AGS.. We should expect far higher standards and we don't get them. You may be fine with these low standards but I'm not. That's something I hate about irish culture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,349 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    So, what is the problem exactly? Individual Gardai, getting along with people and treating them like they are decent people?

    Or management treatment of individual Gardai within the force? Because they are two very different things.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    It's the culture so it transcends both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,489 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Decent people? the guy who told me the Guard took his car, said he pretended he had insurance. so the rest of us mugs pay insurance while he doesn't? that is not decent. neither are people who drive while using their phones and speeding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,349 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Well, your opinion, is just that. Gardai treat most people like they are decent people, unless they prove otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Can'targue with this. Driving without insurance is a massive eff you to everyone else. Not exactly decent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,803 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    The practice of leaving Christmass decorations on buildings or in premises (turned off) all year round, it's crept in over the last decade or so and it looks tacky imv



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭brokenbad


    The suspicious looks you get as a "blow-in" when you enter the local pub… - especially in rural areas. Almost feels intimidating. Reminds of the scene in The Field when the American attends the hooley….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,555 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Having lived abroad and come back again I appreciate a lot of things about Ireland. Things I don't like though.

    Bouncy Castle Catholics: People still hanging onto Catholic religion despite not really believing or practicing it or attending mass but they'll still get kids christened, and get communion etc

    People still vote for Fianna Fail after Charlie Haughey and 2008 crash.

    Driving:Poor standard as evidenced with how the majority of people think it's ok to drive in the middle lane of M50

    Negativity:People like to run the country down, say it's a kip. Saying Dublin is a kip. Saying we have a third world health service. None of which is true.

    Littering: Compared to other countries, Ireland seems really bad at this.

    Virgin Media TV, Practically everything on it is rubbish daytime UK TV,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭techman1


    Parochialism

    GAA obsession. People putting before everything else. People have left weddings etc to go train or play a match. FFS.

    Yea it's crazy the hold gaa has for some people, fair enough if they are playing for county, but leaving a wedding that costs alot of money to go play a junior b match, the mind boggles. Its even more crazy that they don't even get paid for this . A polish guy said if that was in Poland where people were paying in to see a game but the players were not getting paid they would simply refuse to play



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    the health service at the ‘point of delivery’ is generally good, especially from a patient perspective.

    But the insane waiting lists and abject lack of attainable public physical rehabilitative treatments available to outpatients…. It’s pretty third world….I found out first hand.

    In terms of waiting lists up to recently and I’d wager still… Ireland had / has the worst waiting lists in the entire EU….. no good if the people/treatments/procedures and facilities are very good, if you have to wait an inordinate period of time to get them…. Rehabilitative results are not only influenced by the quality of treatment but the speed at which it can be attained following the medical event / onset of illness…

    Culturally we just especially if we haven’t had to really rely on it are.. “ are sure, same everywhere “



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭notAMember


    So what's your point, you love litter because other places do it too?

    Vienna, Zurich, Copenhagen, Helsinki are clean. Water fountains with drinking water so people don't carry plastic bottles around. Specific bins for pizza boxes so street bins don't get jammed, dog waste bags and bins provided along walking paths. Specific cigarette butt bins. A drive to keep the cities clean. Enforcement.

    https://www.wien.gv.at/umwelt/ma48/service/publikationen/pdf/infoblatt-saubere-stadt-en.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,089 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    None of this will work unless the population have a decent attitude though. Or are fined properly for littering.

    I think there are too many folk in Ireland with no civic pride and will chuck their rubbish at their arses the first chance they get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭brokenbad


    The cliquey element to the GAA - especially in rural communities. If you don't play or partake in any GAA activities, you're essentially a Pariah.



  • Registered Users Posts: 772 ✭✭✭SNNUS


    Every GAA interview/press conference " any given day" "physicality" "they are up for it" over and over again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,544 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Here it only really works in places that have a strong Tidy Towns ethos. There's usually a core of retirement age people around that keep the place in check.

    Places that have young and/or transient populations who don't have a stake in the community don't have the time and/or don't care so much.

    Villages and small to medium towns are best at this. Larger towns and cities not so much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    For a country that prides itself about its natural beauty ... people are incrediblely ignorant about nature. People don't know the difference between hares and rabbits; completely ignorant that a Buzzard is flying over their heads; could not tell a Jackdaw from a Rook; etc etc. And it's not just city people, country people are just as ignorant. We have a handful of Owl species, they could all be wiped out tomorrow, and it'd be a little story in the news, beneath some face paining story or something. I would say 50% of the country could not name the late late show owl's species, even though it's been there for decades.

    We are so ignorant and uncaring, that if a bird is injured then there is one place it seems in the entire country to help that bird, even if it's a sea bird, and it's Kildare Animal Rescue. You would think an island nation would have some places specifically geared towards marine animals; and not funnel everything to a charity in land locked Kildare.

    What a **** ignorant nature blind country we are. The only animals we care about are the ones we can make money off of.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    Poor driving is the biggest one for me and lack of enforcement.

    The fines need to increase because the whole 3 year thing holding on to your points isn't working. Hit people where it hurts in their pocket. 160 for 3 points currently. It should be 320 for 6 and 940 for 9 points 1880 and a driving ban for 12.

    That will lighten the foot of some **** speed demon that could wipe out some young family on the road in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,608 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Adults rightly have a choice, and they almost all choose to have nothing to do with it as soon as they leave school. But we still think it's OK to waste kids' limited time in school on it whether they or their parents want it or not.

    We also like to think of ourselves as a technologically advanced country but spend more time teaching religion than science… and aren't even an associate member of CERN.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,608 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Part of my heritage? My city was founded by Vikings. Irish has never been the language of its people. You have an incredibly narrow-minded view of what it is to be Irish.

    Another thing I hate about Irish culture - "Liking X makes me a better person / more Irish than you" or "If you don't like X then eff off out of the country"

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,266 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i think thats less about irish culture and more 'why dont more people have an interest in the same things a me' to be honest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Yeah, it was a bit of an unedited rant. But I still stand over the spirit of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,544 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    People who are Gaelgoirs often get very emotional when people dislike or are indifferent to Irish, resorting to a tirade of insults and questioning your nationality or why you live here at all.

    They have a niche interest and get bent out shape when they encounter people don't have the same enthusiasm. I think if the emotion was taken out, there could finally be a grown up conversation about how well or otherwise the language is faring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Yeah, there sometimes seems to be an exclusivism involved and purity test attached to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,544 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    And the pointy-headed element who go out of their way to condescendingly correct people trying to learn it, a real turn off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Strumms




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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    There is a rather pathetic zealotry and certainly a deep cultural snobbery associated with Gaelgoirs and much of the Irish language set.

    A century of trying to force the nation to revert to speaking Irish has failed utterly - it will never be making a large-scale comeback as English - the lingua franca of the world now - is a superior language in all respects.

    I'm very proud of being Irish but we need to broaden and modernise our perception of Irish culture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,544 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    It's telling that many, mainly urban, Polish people who live here could tell you more about nature and the outdoors than many an Irish farmer that works while surrounded by nature everyday. I couldn't get over the numbers of Polish people climbing and hiking around the mountains here.

    The making money comment is very true. We never lost the gombeen man, we knew the price of everything and the value of nothing.

    Post edited by whisky_galore on


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,292 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    To add to that - the number of Irish people who think agriculture is 'nature'.

    Agriculture is a process of keeping nature at bay.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Irish superiority and exceptionalism.

    It is nauseating. We think we are the best because we have the GAA, because we won some medals at the Olympics, we have decided we are the friendliest people on earth, that everyone loves us, that we are far more fun than people from England/US/Germany etc etc.

    Our President sends best wishes to Iran, more than 100 years after independence we need the Brits to scare off the Russian airforce, but we feel superior to countries that aren't militarily neutral. Even though we rely on them to defend us.

    If you thought about it too long you'd emigrate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,555 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Sorry but Gaeilgeoirs make up a tiny % of the population and are hardly a major influence on the country.

    I think it's a pity how Irish is not our language anymore and its loss has taken away a lot of our identity. Learnt from living abroad that most of the world thinks that Ireland is British and part of UK and this mainly stems from us speaking English and Irish language being unknown.

    Irish language should be part of our culture as it's a major part of our history and make up and even affects how we speak English and I would not encourage it to be forgotten or view it as having a narrow or old fashioned view of Irish culture as you claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,555 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    I'm not saying that the health service is great, by all means it has many problems, mostly managerial and cultural but it is not in any means as bad as a third world country. Fair enough and right to compare to OECD countries but not Third World.

    Go to a third world country and you could be in life danger from a broken bone due to lack of services ie they simply don't exist and then you'll understand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,489 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Do you not think we just need to teach Irish in a better way? we aren't stupid people who cant learn a language. I would have no interest in learning any other language other than Irish.

    I really dislike "Irish" people who hate their own language, west brits or American wannabes who hate their own culture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,544 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Gaelgoirs, esp the ones in academia drive the myriad of pressure groups and quangoes, often competing duplicates of each other, costing millions, and thus government policies, frequently implemented in a half arsed way.

    Ordering the translation of reams of obscure EU documents regular people (or anyone realistically) will never read doesn't come from pressure from the electorate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,544 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    The predicable insults...

    People aren't stupid, they just have no interest. They are indifferent. Like you have no interest in learning Chinese.

    Can you not get that? You can't force people to do what you want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,489 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    I think most Irish people are patriotic and therefore would like to speak Irish fluently but they way it is taught in schools isn't the right way.

    I didn't mention anything about forcing anyone to learn it, don't put words in my mouth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭Mick ah


    How can it be "your" language if the last time it was transmitted from mother to child was well over 3 generations back. Probably more in most parts of Ireland.

    How many Irish people learn "their" language from their parents? Most speakers learn Irish in school and will rarely use it outside of academia or a government job.

    If you want to speak it, more power to you, but I'm sick of non Irish speakers telling me that it'd be nice to speak "our native language". If it's so bloody nice go and learn it and leave me alone. I'm no less Irish because Irish isn't one of the languages I'm fluent in.

    So can some people stop pretending that it's "our" language. It's a language and it's close to useless outside of being a hobby.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,555 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Well I think they deserve credit for having the Irish language recognised as an official EU language and your point about myriads of quangos and costing millions is greatly exaggerated and just sounds bitter.

    It would be completely wrong to just let the language die as you want and it's good to see it's revival over the last number of years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭Mick ah


    Millions probably underestimates it.

    And I generally find that people don't have a problem spending other people's money on things they like.

    But if we had an honest conversation about spending on the Irish language we could probably find solutions that would actually promote language usage and not waste 100s of millions of euro.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,544 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    The well-meaning "I'd love to learn it but..."

    People aren't bothered, they just say this all of the time to appear supportive and not offend. They haven't a bulls notion of learning it. There's heaps of resources but they choose not to use them.

    It's funny how the very same people will find the time and spend money and go all out to do and learn things they really want to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,489 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Why do you hate your native language? why the rage?



  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭Mick ah




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,544 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    My first language is English, we are not in a gaeltacht. There is no rage, I'm indifferent to it.

    I choose not to use it as it is of no use to me. Language is a tool, why would I choose a tool that's harder to use and I can only use in limited circumstances?

    You do you, you are free to speak it, just as I am free to choose not to. I'm not a gatekeeper of notions of Irishness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,489 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    You come across as someone who doesn't want Irish people learning it and you seem to look down on people who want to learn it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,544 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Please point out where I said that. You're the one both getting triggered and putting words in someone's mouth.

    Like I said you are free to speak it, knock yourself out, I don't care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,555 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Sorry but spouting nonsense about wasted money and how useless the language is not indifference, it's the very opposite in fact.

    We're all speaking English and that's not going to change but language is more than a tool it's an expression of culture and part of our heritage and we should not want to lose that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭csirl


    The refusal to accept, that like most small countries, Ireland is a "City State". There is absolutely nothing wrong with having one dominant city - in fact its very efficient. All the constant policies about dencentralisation are doing is destroying our wonderful countryside and have resulted in an underfunded capital city without basic infrastructure. We would be much better having a strong/vibrand large city with a strong and sustainable rural landscape a short drive away.



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