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Islamists planning terror attack at Taylor Swift Concert force cancellation

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    I doubt it was a particular hatred of Taylor Swift, her music or her fans that drove these 2 to do what they did/were going to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,259 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Probably a bad idea for Isis to go after another group of radicals: Swifties.

    In all seriousness though, great it was stopped before it could happen. I do wonder if it was targeted because of the fame and success of Taylor Swift (an attack at her concert would get worldwide attention) or any band who happened to be playing around that time

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Just a chance to commit mass murder in a large gathering, could have been a big football game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,324 ✭✭✭Be right back


    Not forgetting that the three little girls murdered last week were at a Taylor Swift dance class.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Like her or not, she is one of the most famous people on the planet.

    A terrorist attack at her concert gets the world talking about it.

    You could see why they would target her.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,397 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    The fact it was Taylor swift gigs that were threatened doesn't matter. It could've been anyone playing there and it would have been planned like the Manchester bombings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,361 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Just to point out that the Manchester bombings targeted a concert by another famous female artist, Ariana Grande.

    I think that's quite likely not a coincidence. Even though one of the first such attacks, the Bataclan, was an attack on a male group, I think this has developed since then into a movement that tends to target women as much as possible.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,397 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    So if U2 were playing there they wouldn't have planned to bomb it because they're male That's a bit of a stretch. All that matters is the authorities prevented a catastrophic event and they should be applauded for that. The sex of the artist is irrelevant IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 947 ✭✭✭thegame983


    Just part and parcel of living in a big city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Whilst the UK government and law enforcement is openly allowing criminality among young Muslim men (cf Birmingham), overlooked industrial levels of child sex abuse for fear of being seen as racist (cf ad nauseaum) and are now singling out Islam as needing £117m in funding to protect them from valid criticism (by labelling it "Islamophobia") and giving mosques their own rapid response police force - and to hell with churches, temples, synagogues and wee kids' dance classes……

    I'm guessing many, sadly. Great work on those preventing these attacks and gutted for the kids who had their experience they were looking forward to cancelled. Let's hope it's rescheduled.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    If you think that Islam will ever reform, I have a beachside condo to sell you in Arizona.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    How many attacks have we not heard about is probably something not considered.

    Although maybe I am watching too much American crime series.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭thatsdaft




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,240 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭SNNUS




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    It simply can't be reformed because there is no Institutional Hierarchy to lead it to do so. There is no equivalent to the Pope or Papal Council that issues writs, bulls, or documentation to guide the Imams or Muftis.

    The Quran is the final, immutable word of God. That's the basis of Islam, and it is not going to change for Western sensibilities.



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    U2 know "how to dismantle an atomic bomb" so no point targeting them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,753 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I just read that article- in terms of what this “person” intended to do there would have been absolutely no way to prevent him from carrying out his actions.

    He planned to use a car and plough into a crowd

    He planned to detonate a bomb killing himself and those around him, as they were gathering towards the concert.

    So vetting staff whilst not pointless wouldn’t necessarily have shown up anything as whilst one of the suspects did get a job at the stadium the other was planning an attack outside- assuming both don’t have criminal convictions nothing would show up in general unless they’re on a watch list.

    Traffic restrictions would have prevented him getting close to the stadium -but he’d still have access to large crowds walking towards the stadium


    An incredible bit of policing - however the pr1ck organisation behind this will learn from it unfortunately - whatever mistakes were made this time will unlikely happen the next.

    It’s frightening stuff - the irony is that the crowd at a Taylor Swift concert are probably THE most innocent of all concert going attendees



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,075 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    That's a massive leap if ever I saw one.

    Even by your own admission, the Bataclan show was for The Eagles of Death Metal, an all male band.

    Not sure if you remember but there was also an Islamic Terrorist attack at a concert in Russia back in March of this very year, 140 people were killed.

    The band meant to perform were called Piknik, all guys.

    Taylor Swift is one of the most popular artists currently on earth. It's logical to think that was the reason for it. Anything beyond that bringing gender into it is absolutely wild speculation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,240 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Sharia law does a good job of killing Muslims as well.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    We can't be doing that now, especially as we have to deal with the real threat to Europe. All the home grown Far Right.

    Glad the authorities were able to stop the scum bag, and no one was hurt. Seeing as Taylor Swift has a very large appeal with young girls, we can safely say the audience would have been predominantly young girls… which seem to be a very common target for those who follow a certain radical faith.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    Just ignore how badly females are treated in Islamic countries, and how the Grooming gangs we have seen recently have all been Muslim men targeting females and the like.

    Just ignore all that as well.

    Yes terrorists will want to cause terror and strike the population at large, but followers of this radical faith have a long proven history of deep misogyny.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    not to go off topic but
    Did you send that complaint letter to Germany who supplies a third of Israeli arms, or does the left wing only reserve scorn for US? While continuing to defend cultures who want to destroy us (thread subject) and kill innocents

    I for one don’t want to live in the Middle Ages where all the women in my life are treated worse than animals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,075 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    What in god's name has that got to do with the purpose behind the attack on a Taylor Swift concert? That's all my post was discussing.

    Talk about shoehorning in a sprinkling of anti Islamic whataboutery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,611 ✭✭✭Augme


    Since when are Germany not considered in the west?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    The home office did a report on grooming gangs in the uk.

    They found most perpetrators were white. They also found that while some studies indicated an over representation of Black and Asian offenders, there overall finding was, 'it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending'.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65174096



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    A religious faith that kills women for not wearing their head scarf correctly.

    Why are you so obtuse to how vehemently Islam is aggressive towards females. It isn't shoehorning anything. One of the reoccurring trends we see in Islamic culture is very poor treatment of females, that the more radical lot target young girls in the West should come as no surprise to anyone.

    For the life of me, I just do not understand how anyone can be so ignorant to the obvious.

    Anti-Islam, why yes... I am against Misogyny, Homophobia, and Xenophobia. Things that sadly are all part and parcel with the Islamic culture, I am not willing to tolerate those who are Intolerant.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Vienna does have a lot of problems with the lack of integration of foreigners, especially with a muslim background. There were recent gang wars of immigrant groups, shootings and stabbings. The situation with the Taylor Swift concert doesn't surprise me at all. Police in Vienna seems surprisingly effective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Kudos on getting the swift gig cancelled, but I still don’t think we should use this act to just assume that all Muslims are good.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,871 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Targeted the largest concentration of teen and preteen girls humanly possible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭Gary_dunne


    I am not willing to tolerate those who are Intolerant.

    I really hope you see the irony in this sentence. You're intolerant to Islam because some Muslims have extremist views.

    Do you not tolerate yourself then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    There's nothing 'misinformation' about it. Just correcting the error an earlier post made when they said 'the Grooming gangs we have seen recently have all been Muslim men targeting females and the like.'

    Here's the actual report if anyone wants to read it.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5fd87e348fa8f54d5733f532/Group-based_CSE_Paper.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    So in your opinion Islamic terrorism in the “west” (which includes Ireland) is all kosher because “whataboutism Gaza” and “whataboutery some random lot in Middle East killed”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,286 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Halal or Kosher ?

    Edit ... sorry ... couldn't resist.

    Post edited by SuperBowserWorld on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,955 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Thankfully they were caught

    Few big concerts coming up at Croke Park in the next few weeks. AC/DC on the 17th and then Coldplay for 4 nights 29th-2nd Sep. Will our authorities take serious note and act accordingly after this ?

    Ironically Coldplay playing same Stadium in Vienna before they head to Dublin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭Gerrymandering reborn


    Islam has always been very violent. Way before the West started bombing them.

    I'm sure you are well aware of what Islam did to India when the Mughals invaded. India never bombed anyone to deserve what countless Hindus had to go through



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    It’s ok

    I am just amazed at the self loathing the far left has and the mental gymnastics they perform over the Middle East

    In parallel threads they are busy excusing and cheering on despicable scum who are part of Hamas and Iranian revolutionary nonsense

    Here we have “the west deserves it for helping Israel”

    These people would see their own kids hurt at a concert and go “we deserve it, them Islamics are correct, we should totally listen to barbarians who are stuck in 8th century and treat half their population like cattle”

    FML



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    You mean that paper that says that often when "Asian" was used as an indicator, later when more detailed descriptors were used, many became "Afghan" or "White British". So how can you state categorically that "White" means what you are wanting it to mean ?

    It is clear to the dogs in the street every time a gang was sexually exploiting and raping girls just who were doing it - and why they were allowed to continue. Why you would want to deflect and dismiss on such a serious issue is baffling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/12/over-1000-children-telford-sexually-exploited-inquiry-finds

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring

    Key from the Rotherham report (from a book I'm reading currently - and repeated sickeningly often in other places (I used the first three towns I could recall but there are countless others. "Her report, published in 2014, found at least 1,400 children were subjected to sexual abuse and she detailed how girls as young as 11 were raped, trafficked, abducted, beaten, and intimidated by men predominantly of Pakistani heritage."

    And lessons have not been learned:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/08/police-still-victim-blaming-child-grooming-gang-cases-watchdog-finds-inspection-england-and-wales



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,611 ✭✭✭Augme


    When did I say it was kosher? I said that the likelihood of Islamic terrorists stopping is about the same as the likelihood of western countries supporting and facilitating the bombing of Muslim countries.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,361 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Whatever about targets - often though not only - female, it's very obvious to anyone with eyes that these attacks, including far right ones, are almost entirely due to male violence.

    It's odd that so many men are so quick to play up the Islam side of it (which does exist, TBF) but are so eager to play down the wider "male violence" aspect.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Perhaps if they stop with the Islamic terrorism then there be no need to eradicate terrorists?

    if your child was raped and murdered at a concert (something that did happen less than a year ago) would you just go “yeh this is fine, maybe those Islamics are onto something”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I don't see the conspiracy sorry. Where exactly in that paper do perpetrators start moving from being 'Asian' to 'White British' or 'Afghan'?

    Nobody's denying what happened in with those predominantly Pakistani gangs, but what you're asking us to believe now (I think) is that the UK home office, presumably deliberately, misrepresented other examples of grooming to over-represent the involvement of non-Asian men. Is that what you're claiming?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,611 ✭✭✭Augme


    Before the the October attack, 37 Palestinian children had been killed by Israeli forces that year. Not sure why you would expect them to just go "yeh this is fine, maybe those Israelis are onto something."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Is it not a bit too much of a coincidence that this is the second story of a murderous nature related to Taylor Swift? I.e. Southport killings!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,361 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Well, most perpetrators would be white, given the UK's demographics. The question is whether certain minority groups are overrepresented in terms of offending - and there is evidence for that.

    BTW you quoted part of sentence but left out an important part of it:

    It found there was limited research on offender identity and poor quality data, which made it difficult to draw conclusions, however "it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending".

    There's nothing that says that this is not just wishful thinking. Certainly Danish data (where they publish ethnicities of offenders) suggests that sex crimes among non European immigrants and their offsporing is several times higher than the Danish or European averages.

    Back to the UK and your link:

    A previous piece of research from 2015 found that of 1,231 perpetrators of "group and gang-based child sexual exploitation", 42% were white, 14% were defined as Asian or Asian British and 17% black.

    The problem is that the data is from only 19 out of more than 40 police forces and nearly a decade old.

    From UK data (2021)

    • people from Asian ethnic groups made up the second largest percentage of the population (9.3%), followed by black (4.0%), mixed (2.9%) and other (2.1%) ethnic groups
    • according to the 2021 Census, the total population of England and Wales was 59.6 million, and 81.7% of the population was white

    So over 80% of the general population are white but only 42% of sex offenders are white. Unless sex offences by white men have risen massively since 2015, that alone suggests there is an issue. As there is in Denmark - only the BBC are determined to ignore it and to call anyone mentioned it racist.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    So you do think that “western” people deserve to be murdered by Islamic terrorists, thanks for clarifying



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    It's in the paper you sent me - I had assumed you'd read it ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,075 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I wasn't talking about Islam being 'aggressive towards females', I was talking about the reason as to why Islamic terrorists were planning to attack a Taylor Swift concert. You quoted me and brought in something I wasn't addressing at all.

    You are conflating two different things. Let me spell it out for you:

    Issue 1 - why was this venue being attacked? That is what I was discussing. It had nothing to do with the gender of the performer, there is zero reason to think this, particularly going on previous Islamic attacks on concerts. To think so is actually, quite frankly, bizarre.

    Issue 2 - Islam has an awful track record with women's rights and many facets of it treat them poorly. I wasn't discussing this and I actually completely agree with you here.

    The fact that you assume I disagree with you on issue 2 because I said the venue wasn't being attacked because she was female is again, bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Where as "lets parachute into an open air gig with our Go-Pro cameras on, gang rape the women (and men, we must be equal), slaughter entire families, end the day with 1,700 dead and babies held hostage…."

    That though makes sense to you ? Jesus wept.



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