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General British politics discussion thread

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  • #15152
    tinytobe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122468965#Comment_122468965

    If it is about right wing activity and social media in Europe, Putin is rarely far. Even more problematic, if one specific instegator of this is apparently overseas.

    It is indeed possible Putin and Russia is behind this unrest and this possibility should be investigated.



  • #15153
    Enzokk
    Registered Users Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Musk is a problem, he is the owner of Twitter and he is actively spreading fake news and conspiracy theories. That he can come out and echo the far-right complaints about two-tier policing is astonishing. Who would have thought he would think he is bigger than a country when you had the previous PM kneeling at his feet to do an interview with him.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/aug/06/elon-musk-calls-pm-two-tier-keir-over-police-response-to-uk-riots

    "Owner of X uses platform to promote conspiracy theory that white far-right ‘protesters’ involved in disorder are treated more severely than minorities"

    The thugs will love Musk for that and it will just embolden them. That Farage did his normal thing of "questioning" whether this was true but spreading the lie out there as well is not a surprise. That is not a difficult thing to do but it seems like this will be a problem for the next few weeks for the UK. I suspect it may spread to here as well with the anti-refugee sentiment that is bubbling away.



  • #15154
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,004 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    We thought we had problems here with the November riots last year but 100 different demonstrations planned for this evening across England (many outside actual asylum centres) is crazy level stuff.



  • #15155
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,082 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470888#Comment_122470888

    The irony here is that Zuckerberg got nervous about the attention Meta and Facebook were getting in the US and dialled down their recommendations of political content. Musk is showing no such caution and is going to end up getting regulated by Brussels, London and Washington at this rate.

    As always, Ian Dunt hits the nail on the head:

    This was a crucial moment. The idea of two-tier policing has bubbled away among far-right groups online, from people like Robinson. But it was unheard of in the mainstream until Farage talked about it. Once he did, it broke the barrier. Journalists from respectable outlets started asking about it. By the end of the day, it had been asked of the Prime Minister, the Home Secretary and the Met Police chief. This is Farage’s role. He is the transmission agent. He takes the filth of the online far right and converts it into mainstream talking points.

    The point about two-tier policing is obviously racist. It is also nonsensical. Anyone with the slightest knowledge or understanding of policing would scoff at the idea that the police treat black people or Asians more leniently than they treat white people. This is a grotesque inversion of the truth about decades of brutality towards ethnic minorities.

    To equate Black Lives Matter protests with far-right riots is an obscenity of logic. These were organised events which took place with the agreement of police, which were overwhelmingly peaceful. The riots we’re seeing today involve concerted attempts to burn asylum seekers alive. They involve racial attacks. Anyone even capable of making that comparison has lost the right to ever again be taken seriously.

    https://archive.ph/1XhpV#selection-1183.135-1191.30

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #15156
    Mefistofelino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    There does appear to be two-tier policing, but not in the sense that Farage is trying to weaponise. The protesters in England, if they were rioting in another part of the UK, could look forward to baton rounds and water cannon. The most serious "non lethal force" that seems to be applied to the current rioters in England is a rock to the testicles.



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  • #15157
    flatty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭flatty


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122476270#Comment_122476270

    Why is Starmer "out of his depth?"

    Because he hasn't hung anyone yet?

    Starmer was the DPP. I'm sure he believes in due process, and mostly trusts the police force to police.



  • #15158
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,578 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The Govn't and police can do a lot to reduce the level of violence but it's the ordinary people, by turning out in their thousands will send these thugs off the streets:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2024/aug/07/uk-riots-far-right-latest-unrest-southport-stabbings-politics



  • #15159
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,004 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122476955#Comment_122476955

    Yes, reports that thousands of ant-racist counter-protesters showed up at all the demonstrations and heavily outnumbered the far right crowd (often to an embarrassing degree).

    It does suggest that the far right activists exist mostly in an online echo chamber and are nowhere near as numerous as they would like you to believe.



  • #15160
    flatty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭flatty


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122476953#Comment_122476953

    Due process wasn't followed in Rotherham



  • #15161
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,237 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The decent people in England turn out in their tens of thousands tonight



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  • #15162
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,613 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122477003#Comment_122477003

    Was at one myself in Liverpool

    Meanwhile this is what the far right "protests" have been reduced to 🤣

    https://twitter.com/DachshundColin/status/1821310756165705908?t=QZ9p0U2GdT5oNIme56zq3A&s=19



  • #15163
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,638 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122477003#Comment_122477003

    Yep. As usual when the silent majority actually speaks up it doesn't go the way the racists hope.



  • #15164
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,082 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I lived in Brighton for almost 3 years. WTF they were thinking marching with their hate and racism there of all places, I'll never know:

    https://twitter.com/Trump_ton/status/1821421260695355701

    They really know absolutely nothing about the UK. No wonder they love attacking libraries.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #15165
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,613 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122477638#Comment_122477638

    Attack the police one day

    Hide behind them the next

    20240808_072721.jpg



  • #15166
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,004 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122477443#Comment_122477443

    Always angry disaffected males who have failed in life (ditto with their online presence too).



  • #15167
    yagan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,280 ✭✭✭yagan


    These counter protests are a potential sea change for British discourse which has been for too long dominated by the loudest shouters.

    Possibly the first time I've felt positive about Britain since the brexit vote.



  • #15168
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,638 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122478262#Comment_122478262

    It's nothing new. Decent people came out in overwhelming numbers when these bastrds tried this before.

    They were sent running scared back to their caves by the people of Lewisham in 77 and they will be sent cowering back again.



  • #15169
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,082 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    In fairness, there's a long history of marching against fascists here, most notably the Battle of Cable Street (featuring a large contingent of Irish people) when the BUF were met with overwhelming opposition.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #15170
    Mefistofelino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    Don't lose sight of the fact that many millions voted for the likes of Reform or for the more odious members of the Conservative Party even after their true nature was obvious. All we are seeing this week is the small number of sacrificial Useless Idiots and it would be a mistake to think that chasing these morons back to their caves has dealt with the issue. Those who propagate this unrest in the first place are still present, still agitating, still smirking.

    Britain may have a long history of marching against fascists but it also has a long history of integrating them into their power structures.



  • #15171
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭paul71


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122478415#Comment_122478415

    Lewisham in 1977.

    In 1936 quarter of a million Eastenders stopped the Met trying to force through the march of The British Union of Facists in Cable Street.

    I have seen it here on this site, the facists, anti-immigrants, and racists believe they are the silent majority when in fact they are the loud mouthed lunatic fringe.



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  • #15172
    yagan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,280 ✭✭✭yagan


    Thanks for reminders of previous counter protests, but I did say it's the most positive mass showing since the brexit vote.



  • #15173
    .Donegal.
    Registered Users Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    2 guys went to bingo, joined the riot, one of them ended up getting bit by a police dog and they’ve both been sentenced to over 2 years in jail. I don’t think that was on his bingo card.



  • #15174
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,004 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122478763#Comment_122478763

    One interesting element is that the right wing press strongly distanced themselves from the riots and demonstrations and made it clear they wanted nothing to do with them. The one exception was the Telegraph, which has pretty much become a fascist newspaper these days with fascist columnists writing for them.



  • #15175
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,638 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122479319#Comment_122479319

    Keeping their heads down while their racist overlords are out of office.

    They will be back to normal later in Starmer's term.

    I did notice Mel Stride making a play for the moderate Tory vote when backing the government response today.



  • #15176
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,082 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122479319#Comment_122479319

    The right wing press has been pushing for this for decades with their hateful, racist rhetoric. This was always going to be the result and, while I acknowledge that most of them condemn the riots, they helped incite them as well.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #15177
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,004 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122479361#Comment_122479361

    The Mail's reaction has been very interesting. Decided early on that the rioters were bad news and were not afraid to denounce them as 'far right' and 'thugs' etc (much to the chagrin of their own readership).

    The poor old Telegraph has gone down the rabbit hole of fascism / far right extremism though. Couldn't even bring themselves to condemn the rioters, even when things were getting really nasty and violent.



  • #15178
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,638 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122479421#Comment_122479421

    Maybe the Mail are worried about the targeting of foreign owned shops. Which seems to be pretty much every non brand newsagents in the country.



  • #15179
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,613 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122478453#Comment_122478453

    Also read up on the battle of Bamber bridge during WW2.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bamber_Bridge



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