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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,708 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    Yeah would be mad to call it this early - Democrats need to mobilise voters on the day - vocal support and poll ratings won’t win this election- it’s only the physical votes that matter.

    As for twists and turns? I’ve no doubt the republicans are planning “something”- doesn’t matter if it’s a false narrative and in fact it probably will be- I reckon they’ll throw whatever mud they’re planning just 2 weeks out - all they need is for most of it to stick for just a week or two before the election and that will give the democrats a big worry .
    We saw the whole computer private email fiasco with Hilary and the FBI announcing an enquiry again just weeks before poling day - that certainly hurt her campaign



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,910 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There's no doubt that they either already have or will create an "October Surprise" to try and impact Harris/Walz but at the same time , Trump will have been sentenced a few weeks earlier and if he gets any kind of penalty he won't be allowed to vote in his own election along with whatever comes out of the various other court appearances so the muck will be flying in both directions.

    The concern about Democrat voter fatigue or disinterest appears to have been addressed now - The higher the turn-out the worse it gets for Republicans.

    The Democrats needs to spend a lot of money on ads simply reminding people to check their voting status repeatedly between now and Election day because I guarantee that there will be all kinds of "data purges" going on in GOP controlled districts to try and mess things up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Listened to Walz's Pennsylvania speech, can they not swap around and make him the main candidate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    I still don't know what the fúck they were thinking running an 81 year old Biden again. Long way to go yes, but it took Harris all of 3 weeks to edge ahead with the bookies. She supposedly had no chance of beating Trump.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


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    Haley called it. I think she would have been a formidable candidate for the presidency.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ... but here policy platform is as mad as Trumps. Mad as a bag of cats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    the Sgt Major is not the General and the Coach is not the Quarterback.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Well she supports Ukraine and sounds coherent when talking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    He'll have his chance in 8 years, he'll be 68 then



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Love this:

    I find this man super weird and I did a love scene with a duck. #trumpmeltdown

    https://x.com/LeaKThompson/status/1821656717547225415



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,910 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    She's a founder member of the Tea-Party movement - She's a horrible person with horrible policy ideas , it's just that compared to Trump she seems normal but she really really isn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,766 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Ehh. I voted for her in the primary! Voting for Biden would've been kind of a waste. My state lets you vote for any of the candidates, this time around the local equivalent of 'Count Binface' wasn't running.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,737 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I know there's a whole bunch of Republicans and conservatives out there who are very obviously holding their nose and supporting Trump despite clearly despising the guy (JD Vance very much included). But watching the predictably demented clips from yesterday's Trump presser, I do have to wonder if even the most sycophantic true believers feel a little embarassment or shame from time to time propping up this bozo. Like… surely you'd have to 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Haley threw away her shots at the presidency already, she’s made herself patently spineless. She could have been formidable, but she habitually loses her nerve and runs off chasing a short term gain: abandoned the governorship for a UN ambassadorship, quit that gig not even what a year later when reporters got wise to some private jet flights she was taking, then she runs a fiery campaign of never trumperism (despite being his ambassador) only to see herself give up then months later fall in right behind him. That was her last great shot she could have built up the never Trumper republicans and bided their time until the next cycle. But like QD said her other problem is she’s just a horrible person with horrible ideas. Just craves power for the sake of power, like even just the millions of dollars she threw at the university here in Clemson to buy her way onto the board of directors so she could helicopter mom her kid while she enrolled here, she’s **** weird and out of touch and incredibly, insanely self interested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I dont understand why Trump keeps mouthing off against his opponents at his rallies. No-one who goes to his rallies, is going to vote for them anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    what else is he going to do with his time, discuss policy?

    He’s running a Retribution campaign after all, not a campaign about mature governing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,482 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I have intentionally stayed away from the trump thread and I will try to be as impartial as possible here. But my question is: I haven't seen much of Harris in debates. Is she any good? Trump will waffle on at various tangents during the debates. The moderators will not stop him from doing this. And the debates will not sway his voters one iota.

    But, if Harris stays on point with the debates, answers the points raised coherently and efficiently then this will surely contrast sharply with trump's unfocused, long-winded non-answers.

    Again, it will not matter to his voters but surely the difference will be apparent to undecideds… Again, this is assuming that she CAN debate which is my question. Can she? Can she debate and also be engaging while debating. One of the biggest criticisms of Obama was that he was extremely articulate and devastating in a debate but (Especially post elections) often came across as quite unengaging and cold/distant when giving public statements.



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  • Posts: 832 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm going to go rogue for a minute because I thought his 'speech' was probably the most coherent he's been in a while (maybe ever). It could be me but it's the first time I've been able to stay awake for the entire duration of it. Maybe it's good drugs but his eyes were less glazed over and sometimes they both looked in the same direction, which suggested that he's still conscious. Yeah he talked the same nonsensical diatribe as he always does but this time he did it with greater conviction, which is no doubt reassuring to the 75% of Americans who think he's great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    According to Trump Tim Walz is big in the Trans world. Big in what way, I wonder. 🧐



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I assume it's so he winds his supporters up to be so scared (because fear is a lot easier to instill in people than hope) that they run home to their towns and neighbourhoods to "save" their neighbours and their loved ones from the 5th circle of hell that his opponent will unleash it she wins.

    I think Kamala's campaign have absolutely hit the sweet spot when it comes to her and Walz's speeches.

    1: Talk about how great it is to see so many people there. Mention and be thankful to some names that no one watching online would know, but the local crowd would (local organisers etc.)

    2: Talk positively about the future, based on the crowd you see before you.

    3: Talk positively of the last 4 years, giving credit to Biden for what he has done, and some of the plans you will keep and expand on.

    4: Briefly mention your opponent and brush him off.

    5: Double back and talk about what they will do when they get to the White House.

    I have seen 3 speeches so far and they have all pretty much followed that recipe.

    It's pretty simple, but genius and really contributes to the feel good factor of their rallies, which seems to be really lacking from Trump rallies at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    It's actually not as good as you think. He's also attempted to sneak in the supposed Fox "Debate" on the 4th before it.

    It's a trick. A switcheroo. He'll do his Fox debate on 4th. Harris will have to deal with biased moderators and a room full of MAGA goons whooping and cheering every stupid senseless, hateful line out of Trumps mouth. Essentially debating Trump at one of his rallies.

    Trump will declare himself the winner and then decline to do the other debates because "Everyone knows everything already". "I already beat her". No need to do anymore.

    If Harris is clever she should simply insist on the initial ABC debate and ignore this unclever Fox play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    yes she can debate, there’s plenty of reel online of her at the primaries and in her time in the senate, she was a state attorney general, she’s smart and she’s sharp. Trump isn’t eager to go up against a career prosecutor, this drama of him trying to weasel out of the ABC debate was proof enough of that. Hell even AG Barr was cautious as hell with her and he utterly squirmed, he **** knew Harris, an attorney general herself, wouldn’t ask a question she didn’t know the answer to and it utterly wet his pants here:

    Of course we now know there was a lot of political interference of the Trump WH with the Trump DOJ. Barr chose both not to perjure himself or to concede the fact at the time of this hearing

    She also was pretty stern with Biden on his record in the primaries even



    She was also not at all hesitant to shut down the sitting Vice President when he tried to talk over her (a moment which went over extremely well with my wife and others)

    I’ve picked shorter clips and snippets here for the sake of brevity in this thread but the fuller exchanges are easy to find online



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    She has constantly said, "We'll see about other debates after the debate on Sept 10th."

    He can have his hour long interview on the 4th on Fox.



  • Posts: 832 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There'll be mass debating going on in September.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Yup as she should. Harris really hasn't put a foot wrong yet. I know 3 months is a shockingly truncated time to have to run a presidential campaign bid. But in a way part of me wishes the election was now.

    3 months of events like the last few weeks is an eternity. So many things could go wrong and Trump is currently so busy shooting himself in the foot. The optimism I have right now feels so fragile.



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