Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

I dont understand why Trump keeps mouthing off against his opponents at his rallies. No-one who goes to his rallies, is going to vote for them anyway.

I have intentionally stayed away from the trump thread and I will try to be as impartial as possible here. But my question is: I haven't seen much of Harris in debates. Is she any good? Trump will waffle on at various tangents during the debates. The moderators will not stop him from doing this. And the debates will not sway his voters one iota.

But, if Harris stays on point with the debates, answers the points raised coherently and efficiently then this will surely contrast sharply with trump's unfocused, long-winded non-answers.

Again, it will not matter to his voters but surely the difference will be apparent to undecideds… Again, this is assuming that she CAN debate which is my question. Can she? Can she debate and also be engaging while debating. One of the biggest criticisms of Obama was that he was extremely articulate and devastating in a debate but (Especially post elections) often came across as quite unengaging and cold/distant when giving public statements.

According to Trump Tim Walz is big in the Trans world. Big in what way, I wonder. 🧐

I assume it's so he winds his supporters up to be so scared (because fear is a lot easier to instill in people than hope) that they run home to their towns and neighbourhoods to "save" their neighbours and their loved ones from the 5th circle of hell that his opponent will unleash it she wins.

I think Kamala's campaign have absolutely hit the sweet spot when it comes to her and Walz's speeches.

1: Talk about how great it is to see so many people there. Mention and be thankful to some names that no one watching online would know, but the local crowd would (local organisers etc.)

2: Talk positively about the future, based on the crowd you see before you.

3: Talk positively of the last 4 years, giving credit to Biden for what he has done, and some of the plans you will keep and expand on.

4: Briefly mention your opponent and brush him off.

5: Double back and talk about what they will do when they get to the White House.

I have seen 3 speeches so far and they have all pretty much followed that recipe.

It's pretty simple, but genius and really contributes to the feel good factor of their rallies, which seems to be really lacking from Trump rallies at the moment.

yes she can debate, there’s plenty of reel online of her at the primaries and in her time in the senate, she was a state attorney general, she’s smart and she’s sharp. Trump isn’t eager to go up against a career prosecutor, this drama of him trying to weasel out of the ABC debate was proof enough of that. Hell even AG Barr was cautious as hell with her and he utterly squirmed, he **** knew Harris, an attorney general herself, wouldn’t ask a question she didn’t know the answer to and it utterly wet his pants here:

Of course we now know there was a lot of political interference of the Trump WH with the Trump DOJ. Barr chose both not to perjure himself or to concede the fact at the time of this hearing

She also was pretty stern with Biden on his record in the primaries even

She was also not at all hesitant to shut down the sitting Vice President when he tried to talk over her (a moment which went over extremely well with my wife and others)

I’ve picked shorter clips and snippets here for the sake of brevity in this thread but the fuller exchanges are easy to find online

There'll be mass debating going on in September.

Yup as she should. Harris really hasn't put a foot wrong yet. I know 3 months is a shockingly truncated time to have to run a presidential campaign bid. But in a way part of me wishes the election was now.

3 months of events like the last few weeks is an eternity. So many things could go wrong and Trump is currently so busy shooting himself in the foot. The optimism I have right now feels so fragile.

’ah ah ah! Only I may attack peoples military service’

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/shameful-jd-vance-accuses-cnn-anchor-brianna-keilar-of-scrutinizing-his-military-record-from-the-comfort-and-safety-of-a-cnn-studio/

yeah, I said that mostly with my tongue firmly in cheek. 107,000 people v's 1,500 people. The problem is there are people who just believe him.

Has Harris said anything about the Fox news debate? If Trump will accept to debate Harris on ABC, then he's going to demand she debate him on Fox. She doesn't have to accept that, of course, but Trump will just harp on more about the idea that she's scared to debate him in a more hostile (he might say 'critical') environment.

Someone like Hillary Clinton would need a long time to build a campaign - someone who wants power but hasn't got a particularly likeable personality. They have to seed the ground and shake all the right hands and all that stuff. If you have charisma, then that can do much of the heavy lifting and so much of a runway isn't necessary.

But even then, Harris had technically been campaigning a long time under the Biden ticket. She's not a newcomer to the race. She was, in a sense, also participating in that years long election cycle.

Debating Trump will be very much "playing chess with a pigeon" territory for Harris. But at the same time, both he and his "debating" style are much more of a known quantity this time around.

With Hillary, how he'd debate was much more of an unknown (and Hillary was smug and awful anyway). The first debate with Biden this year, Biden came across worse in comparison and because, let's face it, more was expected of him. Biden V Trump debates in 2020 was a lot closer, but Trump also had all the Hunter stuff and Biden's age to fall back on.

He's already struggling to effectively pin anything on Kamala and as I said, he's such a known quantity. If anything his thing last night showed his entire hand.

One debate or three, Harris needs to be absolutely preparing every retort against what Trump throws, and everything she can throw at him to derail him and make him go off on tangents.

But, she also needs to do a news interview or two, and soon. She needs to start getting her message out and show she's not afraid of being questioned. Not that I think she is, but campaign rallies can only do so much. Her not doing media is one of the main points Trump & Vance are currently throwing out at her, so cut that away from them and do a few interviews.

"A bit" should have emphasis, here. Trying to hit him with a lot of criticisms in a short span of time probably wouldn't be as effective as it sounds. Trump would likely attempt to answer most of the above with some variation of the border.

"A lot better than your plan for the border."

"Why are there 30 million illegals flooding across the border, raping, killing and selling fentanyl?"

"I've never met Putin. You are a puppet of Soros."

"Do you think all these convicted felons should be allowed bring fentanyl from Mexico and sell it to schoolchildren? Also, my conviction was election interference."

"The only sexual assaulters are the rrrrrapists you're letting come across the border"

"Do you agree that you're only on this stage because daddy Biden let you have access to his campaign funds?"

And so on.

Trump would be comfortable with a mud slinging match. He'll just hit back with deflection and lies in an attempt to verbally cow her. She'll have to box a bit lighter, picking her spot to land choice rhetorical clatters on Trump's ear, leaving him red faced and angry while she smiles and laughs.

There is nothing to indicate that he can actually reply with short snappy replies any more, though.