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€1 million+ to leave behind

  • 10-08-2024 1:12pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 6


    Hey everyone,

    I'm in my early 60s, single, in good health, and no dependants or debts. Thanks to years of hard work and a bit of luck, I've amassed around €1.5 million. Most of it is in cash and shares, while my house and other assets are worth about €450k. I have a solid private pension and I'm set to receive the full state pension when I become eligible. I live a simple but comfortable life and want for nothing.

    Assuming everything continues as-is and I can fund my old age, the big question is: what should I do with my assets in my Will?

    I have two brothers and one sister. We're not extremely close, but I'll leave them at least the current maximum tax-free amount of €32,500 each, totalling €97,500. I've also got several nieces and nephews whom I adore, so I'll give them at least the tax-free maximum of €32,500 each as well, which comes to €260,000.

    I'm not sure who to leave the house and other assets to, or if they should be sold. But even after allocating all this, it barely makes a dent (€357,500), leaving me with around €1.1 million.

    I'm not particularly attached to any charities, though the DSPCA crossed my mind. I was considering setting aside money for GoFundMe donations that can be allocated over time based on some criteria, or maybe creating a "trust fund"? Or I could just bite the bullet and give my siblings all my money and they'll just have to eat the inheritance tax! There are of course people who are vastly more weathly than I, who face similar questions.

    Ideally, I'd love to keep it all within the family I suppose. Assuming any upcoming changes to inheritance tax won't make a huge difference overall, I'm looking for some ideas. I will talk to a financial advisor eventually of course.

    Cheers for any thoughts but no begging posts, please!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭tom traubert


    If you're inclined, you could begin to share some of your wealth with your relatives on an annual basis, tax free. You may gift up to 3,000e p.a. to anyone with no tax implications for either party.

    Whether that is a good idea or not is obviously a matter for you and you alone to decide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Could always donate it to a Donald Trump Super PAC.

    Being serious, it is good to think of these things and plan. It is a fair bit of money but you might need it or use it yourself over the next 20 years. You could gift some each year to the beneficiaries as the post above suggested. If your siblings are married, that could be 42k a year. But I would also assume your siblings might be similar in age and position to yourself. If so, then the only real advantage would be that they would have a further tax threshold to give it to their own kids (or they could also pass it on to those kids now via the 3k annual exemption)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,023 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I'd echo give an annual gift up to 3000 to those you want to benefit. While there would be tax implications over the 32000 inheritance, they can still benefit from the balance of a bigger bequest once tax is paid: Unless you have some fundamental objection to any tax being paid. I'll be, hopefully, leaving over the current tax free limits to my children but I've no problem with some tax being deducted , as they'll still benefit by receiving more than the threshold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    Start using the small gift exemption asap for the nieces and nephews you are so fond of. €3,000 a year times how ever many of them there are, times many years left in your life, will make a dent in that cash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,457 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Realise that a decade in a nursing home could easily cost a million.

    Who would disproportionately benefit from the money?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 watchclocker


    You're only young. Spend it as much as you can on yourself doing the things you enjoy. Then as someone said, keep enough for a decent care home in case you need it later.

    Then will the rest to your family.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,179 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Youve got some good advice above.

    Just to add it would be a good idea for you to have a think about who is going to look after you when you do get old. Even if you go into a nursing home you still need someone looking after your affairs and property - this is an important point that's often not planned for. If you don't need nursing home you may still need someone looking out for you. Let this person know that you want them to be your carer or representative should you ever need it and make sure they are willing to assume the role. Make sure you look after this person well in your will.

    Ive seen it several times that those who have assumed the role of carers to elderly relatives get nothing and those that done no care get everything!

    Choose carefully! Also enjoy your own life now so that you don't have that much to leave - spend and treat yourself😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,179 ✭✭✭Deeec


    When it comes to nursing homes you are better to having nothing - no money or property. A rich person gets the same treatment as a poor person in a nursing home only difference is the rich person pays more. The so called Fair deal scheme ain't that fair at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,542 ✭✭✭Damien360


    I agree with that. Early 60's is not old. Enjoy as much of it while you are completely mobile on your feet. Go on cruises, fly first class to far flung places and enjoy the fruits of your hard work. See the world before old age finally catches up with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭Ted222


    As others have alluded to, your nieces and nephews would still benefit from a higher inheritance, even if it meant paying tax.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭tinytobe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,023 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Strange as it may seem but often as people get to approach retirement age, and have plenty of funds, they often don't want to travel the world or go on cruises. You'll holiday for certain but many people are more than content to live a quiet life, while perhaps enjoying a few hobbies. If you have a decent solid pension, and funds built up, you can live a very comfortable life without making huge inroads into savings. You can do home improvements, holiday or change the car with ease. A real 1st world problem: What do I do with my money?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    How much of a private pension have you?

    I would find ways of spending that money pretty easily now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,750 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    The €3k annual exemption that others have pointed out for nieces and nephews could be doubled if they have spouses or long term partners since the €3k can be given to anyone. The spouses could also be left the €16,250 Group C threshold in terms of giving the most tax free benefits

    If you have a niece or nephew (or sibling, or anyone really) you really like you should look at exploring the Dwelling House relief for them as it may allow them to inherit your house tax free if you think it would be worth it (not to be confused with favourite niece or nephew relief which only relates to business assets)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,808 ✭✭✭Tow


    1.5 million will not go far if you go into a nursing home. it was costing close to 90k a year for an uncle recently. But you could use the money to pay for a live in carer etc.

    The other option is to have no money, so The System and Fair Deal pay for everything.

    At least you are thinking about who to leave it to. Another relative left everything to her closest relative, a niece in America. The various cousins who looked after her for years did not get a penny.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 993 ✭✭✭Anaki r2d2


    buy your dream car. First class airfares to destination of choice. 5 star holidays. Michelin star meals. I could easily blow that in retirement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭Deub


    Don’t overthink it. Just live the life you want which is a luxury already.

    Check with an accountant what you could do. You can do yearly gifts as said above, buy land, etc It all depends of what you like to do and how you want to share with your friends and family once you are gone.

    If you know young families struggling financially around you and you think they deserve it, you could give them an anonymous cash gift.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,265 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    There are lot of deserving people who need help, if you wanted to that is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭JVince


    As mentioned above, 3k a year into an account for anyone you wish

    Not the same amount, but decent enough. Absolutely no wish for first class travel. Healthy and hitting 60. Wife has good pension too.

    I've 3 wonderful god children. Unrelated. I started putting money into an account for them opened by their mum. They don't know about it yet. (Eldest is 13)

    There are conditions (obviously not enforceable).

    It can be used for 3rd level education, (or equivalent) or towards purchase of a property.

    But if used for any other purposes, I will stop contributing. (Golden handcuffs)



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭bureau2009


    You say that ideally you would like to leave everything within the family. You will hopefully be around for at least the next 30 years so you will probably have great nieces and nephews in time. You could do worse than help with the education of the younger members of your family.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,023 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Without planning ahead with annual tax free gifts you can't just jump in at a point and cover education costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭Ted222


    You could do a Chuck Feeney and use it to fund good causes while you’re still alive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭John arse


    Give it to Bertie!💶💶💶



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,918 ✭✭✭billyhead


    If I was in your situation Op. I would spend it on coke and hookers and live the dream in Vegas. Only joking. Its really a personal choice but as they say and you know already you can't take it with you so enjoy the rest of your days because they go so quick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,213 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The best gift you can give to your nieces and nephews is to avoid destroying the planet that they are inheriting by taking unnecessary flights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,272 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Do you ever let up with your do-gooder nonsense? Be quiet for Christ's sake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,272 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    You need to talk to a well recommended financial and tax advisor, who can help you protect your hard earned money and assets.

    They will also advise on the most tax efficient way of passing on what you wish to, to your younger relatives of the next generation.

    For example, while yes, passing on 3k a year now, tax free, is a good idea, you can also specify that these young people use it only for school and college, educational travel, housing and accommodation, sport or the arts etc., not for discretionary frivolities.

    Importantly, you should also, between your financial advisor and solicitor, make provision for your protection and power of attorney in your later years, to provide for medical care, residential care, living will instructions and anything connected to your wishes for late and end of life, including of course, a comprehensive will.

    If you wish to include any trusted family members to make decisions on your behalf, when it becomes necessary, they can do that too, but as you want for no material things now, peace of mind will become more and more valuable as you get older.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    Yes, there are tax exemption limits for giving funds to relatives. However, there is nothing to stop you taking them for nights out and picking up the tab, taking them on holidays, using your card for a fill of oil, or leaving a little envelope of cash for them on the kitchen table, in additionto formal gifting. Then there's charity. Not the organised ones, but stuff you see for yourself locally. IMO, sport is vital for the development of young people and every club cries out for equipment.

    You're at the same stage of life as me and I've passed the tipping point of saving for the future and am now enjoying spending my resources on life and helping out my family



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,056 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    I would prioritize yourself OP. Get financial advice with regards to your future, care, nursing home if needed etc.

    Also enjoy what you have now, while you can. Do whatever makes you happy.

    Hopefully you will have another 30 years to live, you might find there will be less to leave then you think.

    In relation to inheritance tax, it may be controversial, but I see no issue with it. If I was left a sum of money, I would have no problem paying whatever tax was due. People should be grateful for whatever they get.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,023 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Oh FFS!!! That's scraping the bottom of the barrel.



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