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Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • #38582
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,342 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122488272#Comment_122488272

    Do you have any self awareness at all or are you just content excusing genocide?



  • #38583
    PeggyShippen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122488815#Comment_122488815

    Self defence is self defence. Preserving your life and that of your family. The war in Gaza now is what it is now. The last 80 years of PLO suicide bombers in shops and restaurants. I dont call that fighting back. I wouldnt call the Palestinian atrocities..the burnings,rapes and murders on October 7th 'fighting back' either . People just have no clue how a war is fought. If there's 30 fellas in a school planning and scheming murder. Then the Israelis make a plan..green light it and blow those fellas up. If they are hiding behind human shields that's a terrible thing but Israel doesn't have to stop blowing those 30 terrorist men up.

    What 'forced migration' in Ireland . Indentured servitude in the late 1600s to the carribean ' america for 4 years was hard for many in the UK and Ireland. Tough but managed..same as the rest of the UK. The huge wave of Presbyterian migration in the 1700s wasn't forced either ,penal laws werent nice,thats for sure but same for all the UK..the Catholic migration from the 1820s onwards...normal migration. The 1840s was different and necessary and a hard time . Then 1870s onwards.. can't say that was forced either.... Stop the wallowing. Give over the whinging.

    Support 🇮🇱 Israel



  • #38584
    Weepsie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,691 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Today Israel is trying to force 10s of thousands out of khan younis refugee camps they were forced to go to by Israel from elsewhere Before they just bomb them anyway I expect.

    Death by a thousand cuts in action



  • #38585
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,456 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122489861#Comment_122489861

    Planning and scheming a murder?

    Gazans aren't even fighting back anymore. They're being annihilated.

    Dismembered by the dozen, buried alive under the dusty remains of the few remaining shelters as they are systematically demolished with callous disregard for the innocent huddled people inside.

    This isn't self defense from the Israelis. Its murder and its utterly indefensible



  • #38586
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,456 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122489891#Comment_122489891

    Its incredible how anyone could support this.

    What the people of Gaza are suffering now is worse than any torture in all of the most depraved works of fiction.

    Constant threat, zero security, marching them from camp to camp with no food, water, sanitation or medical supplies, in a desert in the peak of summer, people carrying wounds and untreated medical issues, on the brink of starvation, grieving the loss of family and friends with countless others missing presumed dead, knowing that the Israelis will never stop torturing them and they have no safe place to hide.

    Its like a circle of hell from Dantes inferno.

    And it could all stop tomorrow if the Americans and Germans and English demanded an immediate ceasefire with full humanitarian relief. But they won't. Because they are weak and cowardly



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  • #38587
    Balagan1
    Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭Balagan1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122489961#Comment_122489961

    Your post does not even mention the word "Hamas". Sinwar referred to the civilian Gazan dead as "necessary sacrifices" to sway world opinion. He is a very clever man.



  • #38588
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,889 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122490062#Comment_122490062

    The Israeli Government and the IDF are doing their best to oblige him. Sinwar and Bibi have a lot in common. No doubt you agree that both are reprehensible and should be in a dock to face war crimes charges.



  • #38589
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122486560#Comment_122486560

    She might lead a radical change, I agree it's unlikely but it's more likely than Trump



  • #38590
    batman75
    Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭batman75


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122490350#Comment_122490350

    She won't. She shouted down a Pro Palestinian demonstration at her rally the other day. She is the other cheek of the same arse. All U.S. politicians are in hock to the Jewish lobby financially. See the sycophantic reception for the monster Netanyahu at the senate. Embarrassing.

    The last time I remember the U.S. flexing it's muscles against Israel was in 1991. G H. Bush asked them not to retaliate against Iraq for the scud missile attacks.



  • #38591
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,889 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122490508#Comment_122490508

    Yes. It's very unlikely, even if Kamala wanted to. Althoug Regan did suspend arms shipments to Israel back in the 80s, but was the lobby as powerful back then?



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  • #38592
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,872 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122490558#Comment_122490558

    15000 dead terrorists and 25000 dead women and children is an 'unbelievable' ratio.... Wtf man that's a disgusting ratio and comparisons to a civil war is ludicrous.

    Do you not even realize that going by those figures, every male adult is classed as a terrorist?



  • #38593
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,889 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122490558#Comment_122490558

    .As regards the IDf being surgically precise, if that is the case why is Israel's closest ally in agreement with its critics that Israel has not done enough to minimise civilian casualties during this war. The American government have stated this on several occasions .

    Regarding how Irish people felt about the Syrian civil war, if boards is anthing to go by, the vast majority of posts on a thread about it were anti assad. It's a mistake to conclude that a lack of protests means people are pro certain actors. You wouldnt accuse people protesting the Ukraine war as being guilty of double standards for not protesting various other conflicts first.

    In any case your argument is weak when you have to use Assad as a yardstick to justify Israeli actions. Is that the standard now?

    Regarding your accusations of anti semitism,as has been pointed out to you several times, conflating all criticism of Israel as being anti semitic is wrong as evidenced by the likes of Israeli human right groups and commentators like Gideon Levy and Bernie Sanders who are also critical of Israel, but as i said you know that already.



  • #38594
    Weepsie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,691 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    When someome can say 40,000 dead people is surgical you know they can't be taken seriously.

    and now you're just making up figures for Hamas deaths.

    And there were marches and protests in support /solidarity for ordinary Syrians and there were even some specifically against Russias complicity. Just as there were marches against the US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq prior.

    But that doesn't suit your agenda, and you've already shown that you can put facts of history to the sideline too.

    A big yawn to the incredibly lazy and overdone and just downright incorrect antisemitism accusations

    Post edited by Weepsie on


  • #38595
    rogber
    Registered Users Posts: 2,132 ✭✭✭rogber


    So where is this devastating response Iran and Hezbollah were promising us? Are they really that impotent, is the Prophet not willing to help his followers? Everyday that passes without a response is a humiliation for them surely



  • #38596
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users Posts: 4,150 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122490791#Comment_122490791

    Strategically it's a better move for them though. Cheaper just to continue to supply rockets to hezbollah and hamas, or whoever replaces them, and have rockets contiue to annoy israel for the next few years.



  • #38597
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Zionists trying to kill more UN personnel. A few Irish lads nearly struck in Lebanon. But I'm sure the apologists on here will have some reason why the zionists were perfectly correct and why the Irish lads were in the wrong.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2024/0811/1464481-un-irish-troops/



  • #38598
    Balagan1
    Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭Balagan1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122490791#Comment_122490791

    Us?



  • #38599
    rogber
    Registered Users Posts: 2,132 ✭✭✭rogber


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122490931#Comment_122490931

    The spectators here in Europe and outside the danger zones



  • #38600
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,538 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    given that its election year in the US they will be putting pressure on Israel not to go too far or it would be >100$ oil over night, Iran can go down the proxy route and supply their groups, as for Israel I doubt they are in the mood for ceasefires but they cant go around opening up fronts on all sides either. A tense steady as you go seems like a working assumption for now

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #38601
    PeggyShippen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    Surely Iran won't take this lying down. They've been humiliated with that assassination. The Irish media must be hoping for a suitable response soon. Harris has no influence on the EU. Himself and Spain can feign outrage till the cows come home. Israel has to keep on keeping on. This has been a textbook military response so far. The civilian casualties are tragic but inevitable. I wonder what Harris wants to happen. I can guess. Let's see..Immediate ceasefire from Israel...Hamas and Hizbollah to cut back on their rockets..( no need for a full cessation of course ) and then pump UNWRA full of cash... rebuild Gaza...start some sort of talks that will ultimately screw Israel and then job done?

    Support 🇮🇱 Israel



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  • #38602
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122491582#Comment_122491582

    Will be very few people in Ireland "hoping for a response" by Iran (maybe kind of people who want to see the world burn, perhaps like some in Israel's current govt ironically!).

    You are incorrect that the Irish and Spanish leaders have "no influence" on the EU.

    There are members that won't countenance EU trade agreements with Israel being ended at present, but I don't think it will disappear from the agenda now.

    I expect you will see other EU countries agree as time passes, or they may quietly distance themselves from Israel without all the hoo-ha of raising it at EU level.



  • #38603
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,607 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Hezbollah seem to be ready.

    https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1822714515039076397

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #38604
    thereiver
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭thereiver


    Theres an article in some UK paper ,the idf use precision missiles to bomb the mosque school that was known to have children and civilians living there .the excuse was it was being used by

    Hamas as a hiding place . So the idf thinks it's ok to bomb any building and kill 100 civilians if they can maybe kill 2 or 3 Hamas soldiers

    There is really no safe place for children or civilians to go that is safe from being bombed by the idf and meanwhile Hamas are still likely hiding in tunnels safe from bombing

    At this point does to the Israeli government even care about losing support from western county's apart from America



  • #38605
    fergiesfolly
    Registered Users Posts: 3,391 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    I find it interesting that the IDF can plan an operation inside Iran to target a Hamas leader with a pinpoint strike, but need to take out a school or hospital to do the same in Gaza.



  • #38606
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,607 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Iron Dome failed

    https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1822772957720064070

    https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1822773892274139532

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #38607
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,872 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493030#Comment_122493030

    Is there any MSM reporting this? Seems to be absent from the usual new networks.



  • #38608
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,607 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    MSM often bit behind when these things happen nowadays or just not worthy of attention. Possible little damage was caused.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #38609
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,538 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122491582#Comment_122491582

    There is always a tension but I'd say they wouldnt act rashly , there is a PR game too so its always beneficial to make it look like "the other guy started it" , the big question for Israel is do they attack Hezbollah now or have to deal with an even stronger one in 5 or 10 years? as it is Hez. are fairly well tooled up

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #38610
    PeggyShippen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493330#Comment_122493330

    Ah if Israel has any sense they should attack Hizbollah after Irans retaliation...whatever that ends up being. You can't have Hizbollah threatening Israel with rockets indefinitely . There's pressure on from families wanting to go home to Northern Israel. They've been away from home for months.

    Support 🇮🇱 Israel



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  • #38611
    Weepsie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,691 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493408#Comment_122493408

    And Palestinians have been away from their homes for decades...because (checks notes) Israel policies of systematically forcing them out of them and destroying whole villages or moving some lad from the Bronx into them



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