Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

Its even more baffling that they seem to be the consistently worst at this when they're German where they've had equivalent kit for decades.

There was a return scheme in Ireland in the olden days.Lidl had machines at certain locations that paid out 10c for each can or plastic bottle regardless of the size.

Yes. They aren't in scope.

I presume they would give it back if somebody argued the point and if the deposit was charged in the first place but I'm guessing nobody will bother.

They'll just go in the bin with the other returns that the machine decides to reject for no reason.

I have mate.

So you made up the claim, would that be fair?

Mate?

Only one making up claims here is you mate.

Can't argue with most of that except to point out yet again that we are still waiting for a figure for how much bin collection went up by because of DRS.

And I still think the charity thing is different.

People won't notice though. I just happened to spot them as there was a tray of each beside each other on the shelf.

In fairness they probably don't even realise they are there. Probably just got mixed up in the stockroom. They aren't a big seller so nobody has probably noticed or mentioned it. There was less than half a dozen sold in the three days between my last two visits.

And for this week's experiences!

Brought my bag in to recycle, yer man was cleaning and perhaps unclogging the machine. I asked how long as I had a small bit of shopping to do. He said 10 minutes or so, but was 2nd breakdown today, this was at 11am. BUT, he offered to take my cans-get the refund and find me in the shop, which he duly did. Great Customer Service. BTW, two cans in pristine condition rejected. Has been that way of late, not getting the 100% success rate as before some circumstances.

Today, arrived and found a person with a large rubbish sack and carrier bag of recyclables just starting the process. Shopped with my empties and picked up a few items and 15 minutes later they are still at it. So feck this, bring it all back to the car.

I would think this will be a major problem going forward, not enough machines!

I never put a can in the green bin so I'd be interested to see their justification.

Collecting quite a few bottles and cans that have been discarded every week. Free money. But to incentivise the youth, most of whom have no concept to the value of money I think we should be increasing the amount to 50c/€1 per can/bottle

When I was a kid, 50-odd years ago, I remember the glass bottle return scheme. It was 5p a bottle. What would 5p be worth nowadays with inflation? I remember you could get a packet of Tayto crisps for 5p back then. Tayto are €1.80 or so a pack now.

The producers and wholesalers would have not supplied any out of scope stock since 16 March, or they would have been breaking the law/rules. I know some shops were selling off non logo stock cheap back as far as February.

The principle of fairness should not apply in this case to excuse what is going on, when businesses had a very long time to get organised. It is not fair to customers.

"16 March 2024.

Producers sell Re-turn logo products and
must CEASE to sell non-logo stock
From 16 March, 2024, all Retailers must
only order/purchase Re-turn
logo products from stock suppliers."

Just worked out that 5c would be worth about 28c today so double what they’re charging at the moment. Would 30c for small bottles/cans be acceptable to you as the minimum value and 60c for the bigger ones? The current price is obviously no incentive for some people to return their bottles as opposed to dumping them.

One thing that will definitely not happen is for the deposit to be reduced no matter how good the recycling is

Other countries allow IBAN deposit refund

Other countries accept crushed containers

Other countries have bulk return centres

Other countries make all stores who sell containers accept returns

Other countries dont force people into shops to get their own money back after doing extra work for free

Other countries' citizens dont already pay for recycle wheelie bins at their homes

Other countries arent run by idiots / gombeens

Overly simplistic nonsense. I dunno why you feel you need to repeat Return propaganda.

You find a WORKING machine - not a given. That accepts the items it is supposed to accept

You may have to queue.

Find a place that says it does manual returns that actually does it!

As for deposits charged at airports... festivals... good luck with that unless you are seriously gonna suggest people schlep those bottles around. Anybody seriously suggesting it is self discrediting and total lack of cop on.

Re-Turn basically works like a gem for anyone associated with Re-Turn. They rest of us, not so much. Anyone arguing otherwise is either ill-informed or a moron.

I see that in Germany the machines don't accept crushed containers. Nor in Denmark, but the clever Danes never make thing simple. As reported on the thread many times, once the barcode is readable, crushed containers work in our machines.

Which countries accept crushed containers? Also which countries have free wheelie bins?

Denmark.

If a bottle or can is crushed or defaced, you can try to return it to a store that receives bottles and cans manually. This requires the store selling bottles or cans of the same material, regardless of the product brand. You will only be refunded the deposit if a store employee can see, or the reverse vending machine can read, the barcode, deposit mark and the shape of the packaging. You can always put damaged bottles and cans in the special deposit sacks from Dansk Retursystem and deliver them to a Pantstation (deposit return bank). Even though you will not be refunded the deposit, the bottles and cans will be recycled to benefit the environment. 

Not all countries implement everything I posted. Its a list collected from different countries which we could have learned from if the will was there but it wasn't and isn't.

Answer my question first and I'll respond to specific questions from you:

Do you honestly think Re-Turn is acceptable as is?

Deflecting with a load of spoof about it being a work in progress is not an acceptable answer. Nobody connected to Re-Turn is talking about changes to this scheme in any meaningful way. Last we heard was don't use RVMs at the weekend.

Pathetic response. Answer my question first and I'll answer yours.

No. You responded to my list. Then when I responded to that with a question you dont want to answer you want to go back to my list. Dont think so. I can back up everything on that list but I wont be doing it until you answer my question. I wont be responding to you further until you answer it properly.

I've a few cans here picked off the road with Return etc marked on them. All squashed a bit of course. What to do??

Should I toss them in my recycle bin that I pay for?

Or should I mail to Ossian Smyth and ask for a refund?

Or leave outside a local TDs constituency office?

Or what?

First off well done for picking up the cans.

The real culprits here are the people who littered.

Option 1 they become the property of your bin company.

Option 2 they end up in the department's recycling bin.

Option 3 you risk getting a fine for littering.

Another possibility is holding onto them until you get a chance to donate them to charity.

It was a joke.

Oh yes, sorry I misread the emoji.