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  • #752
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,009 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493759#Comment_122493759

    I think CA is effectively the M50 of the site. Everyone uses it at some point and at any given time, it probably has the most users so to see it dominating feedback threads is understandable.

    I would love to see AH dominate as it once did with more traffic in other forums such as soccer/music/games etc than there has been for the last couple of years. But traffic in those is influenced by people not wanting to deal with CA I feel. So trying to resolve that in some way (I've suggested one specific solution) so that it isn't the experience it currently is, is worth discussing.

    Part of the issue here, is that it is almost exclusively a user side discussion with minimal input from the site side. If they were to get involved in the discussion, I think the tone could move to being much more proactive than finger pointing. That's the wish anyway.



  • #753
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,782 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493442#Comment_122493442

    I think I suggested before on another thread, could we maybe report the post and/or poster on the specific thread tagging mod(s) that we take issue with instead of by flag report

    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #754
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,625 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494342#Comment_122494342

    Are your saying that you want the ability to choose who moderates your reports?



  • #755
    Vote4Squirrels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494376#Comment_122494376

    I don't wish to speak for another poster but there are some threads that certain moderators should not oversee due to very strong opinions.

    No one should be able to choose who moderates their comments but some people should be aware that they may find it difficult to be impartial and should recuse themselves from certain threads.



  • #756
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,782 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494342#Comment_122494342

    No just tag all mods over that particular forum

    It gives both the reporter and reportee space to explain why and clarify, give both sides, as some posters have said some multiple posts need to be read back over for context

    https://forumofgames.com/




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  • #757
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,782 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493170#Comment_122493170

    What, Leggy was asking about your post, I wasn't

    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #758
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,481 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494512#Comment_122494512

    That would just clutter up the threads and make them impossible to follow.
    Replying to a post telling the poster you've reported it is currently seen as backseat modding.

    Unless you mean create a specific DRP thread or something just for the posts?

    I don't think there's any appetite for such public modding, and could open a can of worms.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #759
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,782 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493906#Comment_122493906

    You seem very against the right, can you really be impartial when modding a decision against a poster falling on the right side or do you step aside?

    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #760
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,274 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Given the reality that moderators are facing with numbers on some threads , it is crazy to suggest that you would bypass an available moderator to tag a " preferred " moderator .

    Maybe the suggestion by some (can't remember who, sorry ) of anonymity for moderators when they are modding would be best then to avert this type of discrimination by posters .

    You can pm a mod if its very involved, it has been said by them on feedback , but they would not be able to get back as quick so that might not work .

    @JP Liz V1 yes that was clarified by Leg already . When I saw your post to him in the middle I thought you were . Sorry .



  • #761
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,707 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494558#Comment_122494558

    Yes. Even if I wasn't, this is what the final stage of DRP is for.

    The thing with an appeal is that you yourself have to make a cogent argument as to why you've been unfairly treated. I always explain my decision as clearly and concisely as I can. If the only counter is lazily claiming persecution or bias instead of making a cogent argument based on facts, it won't go far with the admin.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • #762
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,782 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I never mentioned tagging a preferred mod, I suggested all the mods over that particular forum with the thread

    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #763
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,274 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493319#Comment_122493319

    Agenda driven ?!

    Whats agenda driven about wanting some balance and not to have hate speech and racist conspiracy theories posted on a thread ?

    Which btw you don't see much when you pop in to have a look because it has been reported by other posters and deleted by the mods . Usually .



  • #764
    OscarMIlde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494693#Comment_122494693

    I have no problem with people reporting hate speech or conspiracies, I've no idea why you think I do. I also was posting this in the feedback forum generally not about any particular poster.

    I'm sure everyone on boards has seen posters violate the don't be a dick rule in an attempt to win an argument. I'm probably guilty of it myself at times. It can spoil things for people who don't want to engage in sniping.



  • #765
    Irish Aris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Irish Aris


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494620#Comment_122494620

    But would this suggestion create a risk posters will start arguing on who reports whom?

    I honestly don't think it's a good idea, we have seen from numerous feedback threads how this might end up.



  • #766
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,256 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494915#Comment_122494915

    It's a terrible idea and completely and utterly unworkable in Current Affairs, which lets face it is the main source of everyone's gripes with the site.

    The problem for some here is that they don't seem to understand the role of a moderator. We are not opinion police. It is already a site rule that hate speech is forbidden but it is not for me (and actually, it's not for anyone really) to tell someone their view is incorrect or wrong unless it contravenes that rule. You can robustly debate and disagree with it, absolutely!

    As has been pointed out by posters from either side of this ridiculous left/right divide everyone is determined to have nowadays, a thread in CA was nuked just days ago because it went over the line into that sort of rhetoric, which is exactly what should happen.

    Moderators are like referees in a football match. We're there to make sure people abide by the rules. This, perhaps is the main issue with CA, in that there is no apparent charter to reference and something that should definitely be fixed.

    I'd make one suggestion as well seeing as US Politics seems to pervade every single thread now. Make a new US Politics subforum under the Politics banner and mod it as robustly as Politics is currently. You can keep one thread in CA for the presidential election as it is a Current Affair, but there doesn't need to be thread for Trump, a thread for Biden AND a US election thread (is there one for Harris now too?)

    As for a space where there are no rules that @Tell me how mentioned before... Erm. That would be turning Boards more into Stormfront than anything anyone else has suggested. You're around long enough to remember how the Thunderdome ended and the whole VOAT nonsense where posters and mods alike were doxxxed. That's just not a good idea in all honesty.

    In terms of finding mods honestly I can see in the background the work admins and C-mods are doing to try and find new ones but the problem is nobody wants these jobs. The abuse that volunteers get is absolutely crazy these days as evidenced from @Big Bag of Chips simply posting an on-thread warning earlier.

    I said it on the previous thread but if people just simply took two mins to think before posting and treated others with a little bit more respect it would be a much nicer place to go. But now everything is a battleground where people who are completely different ideologically are trying to "win" unwinnable arguments instead of agreeing to differ the odd time. You have to understand you are not going to change someone's opinions through your posting. If you can Co-exist with people with different views in real life then you have to ask yourself why can't you do that online?



  • #767
    Vote4Squirrels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    I think all people want is fairness. To see all rules applied across the board - and the referee analogy is apt, VAR favours some teams and not others for example.

    I've just seen a poster warned for being uncivil - fair enough, that is a rule we all try to stick by. However, it was in response to a poster with a very obvious MO - posting baseless claims, refusing to provide any links whatsoever (e.g. a post aimed at me saying that the thread was "full of racism and Islamophobia" yet replying with "you can read" when I asked for examples).

    Yet when that particular poster demands "proof" - and is given it - there is a snide reply of "so you've got none". It seems deeply unfair that some posters are seen as more equal than others.

    I was banned for two weeks for trolling (which I was not, it was sarcasm if badly phrased) - yet I can go into CA/IMHO right now and see a dozen posts which are worse, and nothing is ever done.

    I inadvertently breached a site rule earlier that I wasn't aware of, I am now and won't do it again. Thank you to @Beasty for their time and understanding. Perhaps @Necro is right above - and more detailed rules are needed ? When I joined here and racked up some points early on it was suggested I read the CA charter - I did so and do "try not to be a dick" - however there are indeed posters who can't be described as behaving in any other manner and yet there's NEVER a warning tag on their posts, like there are on so many others.

    That's what would help - openness, transparency and fairness. To all.



  • #768
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,009 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495111#Comment_122495111

    As for a space where there are no rules that @Tell me how mentioned before

    That isn't what I've mentioned.

    I've specifically said still have rules in terms of not allowing outright abuse and insults but not this uber-sensitive 'say nothing about the poster' approach that is attempted to be implemented currently and which leads to lots of frustration. And I've suggested previously to have this space be like the Soccer forum where it's invisible to all but those who deliberately seek it out. And have conditions on granting access to it. Minimum post count, time on Boards etc etc.



  • #769
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,481 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The Soccer forum was mentioned by way of comparison with CA.

    For example, open to correction - I think there's a rule about thanking an abusive post, such posters can be sanctioned also. If anything is a "pile on", that is.

    Something that should be considered for CA.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #770
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 54,136 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495233#Comment_122495233

    "Thanks trolling" is / was a thing discussed in various soccer feedback threads a few years ago, but I do not believe this rule was ever adopted in the end. It would be pretty much impossible to moderate fairly and accurately.



  • #771
    Vote4Squirrels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495233#Comment_122495233

    That would be a great idea - I saw an especially abusive post today and was not surprised to see the thanks added - to my mind it’s agreeing with the abuse and should be dealt with as such.

    Just my 2c though!!



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  • #772
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495510#Comment_122495510

    Nothing worse than all the thanks you see an openly racist/sexist/abusive post get. Then later posters in the same thread referring to the harsh moderation or how a good poster is lost when it is later dealt with.



  • #773
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,509 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    If you're going to start sanctioning people for thanking posts we're going to need a bigger boat (or a lot more mods as it were).

    Glazers Out!



  • #774
    Vote4Squirrels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495620#Comment_122495620

    Or people could just not be a dick and not thank abusive posts?



  • #775
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,509 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495635#Comment_122495635

    Of course.

    But the moderators can't deal with what's on their plates now. Suggesting more work ti's needed isn't a step in the right direction.

    Glazers Out!



  • #776
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495635#Comment_122495635

    Is this post^ abusive?

    Should I not thank it?



  • #777
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,395 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495635#Comment_122495635

    Its how certain people get their kicks.

    Patting each other on the back, a circle jerk.



  • #778
    Leg End Reject
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,582 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495620#Comment_122495620

    And an exact explanation of what can and can't be thanked, to go with what can and can't be posted. We'd have to do a postgrad to participate.

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




  • #779
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,481 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495620#Comment_122495620

    Would it? Either posters would stop or quickly out themselves as dicks and in the long run get them off threads / site and so less work.

    In practice it may be too difficult as you havd post edits.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #780
    OscarMIlde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Moderating thanks trolling is probably unworkable even if we had a surplus of mods. To be honest sanctioning people who are leaving abusive posts or low level trolling would do a huge amount to keep threads civil.



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  • #781
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,059 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    So…we should limit the thanks and reporting of posts? Is that what users want?

    Are we still at the “position” where the mods/admins still depend on users reporting posts or have we got to a place where that is not required?

    Just seems like a certain “cohort” don’t like being sanctioned for breaking rules and blames those reporting posts, as requested by the mods/admins, for them getting caught and now they want the thanking of posts they don’t like to be curtailed as well.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • #782
    Leg End Reject
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,582 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495712#Comment_122495712

    Who do you suggest keeps a tally of who's thanking what?

    That would require someone working full-time to monitor it. You can't even see thanks on a mobile and only 10 show on the desktop site.

    It's also very petty in my mind. As as poster are you prepared to PM a mod with a list of posters who thanked a post? How many would PM a list for posts that they just don't agree with? I'm sure the mods would love that craic.

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




  • #783
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,625 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I can see the merch now,

    On the front of the t-shirt:

    "It's just your opinion...

    ...On boards.ie"

    On the reverse,

    "Don't thank me"



  • #784
    Leg End Reject
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,582 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495111#Comment_122495111

    You have to understand you are not going to change someone's opinions through your posting. If you can Co-exist with people with different views in real life then you have to ask yourself why can't you do that online?

    There are posters here who are arguing for the opposite, and suggesting some opinions and beliefs that should be outright banned.

    Boards will die a lot quicker if that happens.

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




  • #785
    Leg End Reject
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,582 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495792#Comment_122495792

    More -

    Boards.ie, now ye're talking and thanking a list of approved topics or you're banned.

    I wouldn't expect a stampede of new users.

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




  • #786
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I Hear you can get arrested in the UK these days if you retweet something, don't be giving Helen McEntee ideas...



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  • #787
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,625 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495795#Comment_122495795

    It won't.

    I even have empirical evidence.

    What I'm looking for was banned for at least between 98 and 08 and the site thrived.

    All people* were made feel welcome.

    It was liberal.

    It was independent.

    It was hated by stormfront and right-wingers.

    *Except Nazis, racists, homophobes and people out to do harm to others emotional health.



  • #788
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,625 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495806#Comment_122495806

    You'd be surprised. The tiktok kids love thanking stuff



  • #789
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,707 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495728#Comment_122495728

    Exactly. It'd be galling seeing people who thank abusive posts only take issue with it when others thank posts which disagree with them if it weren't so tediously predictable.

    It's always the same. Someone disagreed and that equates to attack.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #790
    Leg End Reject
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,582 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495822#Comment_122495822

    What I'm looking for was banned for at least between 98 and 08 and the site thrived.

    The world and the internet have changed since then.

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




  • #791
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495822#Comment_122495822

    I'm not sure how discussions around race were handled back then, but I know it wasn't till 2011 I think or later that the LGB forum added the T, and there were plenty of discussions around that that would be banned if any questioning is deemed transphobic



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  • #792
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,625 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Awww....

    Memories. I wonder how many would last in those wild days of barely any traffic boards as it was so heavily moderated???

    https://web.archive.org/web/20141001203637/http%3A//m.boards.ie/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=bie_faq



  • #793
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,678 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    It's all a bit Orwellian if you start sanctioning people for thanking posts.

    Even though I doubt it's even workable in reality.



  • #794
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,509 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495795#Comment_122495795

    It does tally with political extremism to want to silence dissent.

    Boards doesn't tolerate far right rhetoric, but far left rhetoric is allowed to flourish.

    Can you imagine if there was a dyed in the wool far right poster on this site coming into feedback advising that all opinions they find offensive be banned by the site? What would the reaction be? We all know the answer.

    All that is required is a bit more of a clear indication of what the rules actually are around here along with clearer enforcement. Not closing the site off to anyone to the right of the far left, that's just a crazy means by which to gauge appropriate contributions.

    Glazers Out!



  • #795
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,481 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495778#Comment_122495778

    Leaving aside the practicalities which may be insurmountable.

    If a poster replies to you with a short stream of abuse, that is being a dick and attacking the poster.

    You agree such posts are abusive and should be moderated and sanctioned?

    Someone thanking that post is being a dick also. Yes or no?

    And thanks trolling is petty and cowardly also. They will thank the post, piling on, but wouldnt post it themselves.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #796
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,678 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495909#Comment_122495909

    Tbh, I see Left Wing Rheoteric for sure in the place, but is there really a great deal of actual Far Left Rheoteric? I haven't seen many boardsies talking up the merits of a proletarian revolution or smashing the capitalist system.



  • #797
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495909#Comment_122495909

    You keep making very general statements in this thread. Can you give an example of what constitutes far left in your mind given you think it pervades boards. Given most topics in current affairs now seem to be regarding concern of immigration, multiculturalism, Islam, trans people in sport or society in general. I can't see anything that is extremely leftist.



  • #798
    Ahwell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495795#Comment_122495795

    There's another very recent feedback/help desk thread about a user who was permanently banned for expressing opinions that were deemed unacceptable. Which is not a uncommon occurrence. There's never been the kind of free-for-all on this site that you seem to be either advocating or you are under the misconception that you can currently express whatever belief or opinion you damn well please. You can't, there are limits. There always has been.



  • #799
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,509 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495948#Comment_122495948

    I've encountered a fair few people tying themselves in knots to excuse the crimes of the Socialist regimes on the 20th century for example, you wouldn't see anyone having a post left up defending the actions of the Nazis.

    Glazers Out!



  • #800
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495974#Comment_122495974

    Fair enough. At least if they are only promoting far left rhetoric iconfined to a historical argument that is something.



  • #801
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,678 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495974#Comment_122495974

    There was people on here excusing millions killed under Communism? I must say I find that surprising.



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