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  • Registered Users Posts: 5 MrBusso


    Trying to navigate my way through a Solar installation and I’ve obtained two quotes so far. Looking for feedback if they are competitive

    #1 - €6700

    10 panel jingko 435 watt

    Sigen Energy Controller Single Phase
    5 kW of Inverter Power
    Sigenergy
    1 x SigenStor EC 5.0SP

    Eco-Smart Energy Diverter
    3.68 kW eco-smart energy diverter, 230V AC Single Phase, Rated Current - 16A, Standby Power Consumption - 3W

    #2 - €6100

    10 panels 435 watt jinko .4.5 kw.
    5kw dyness battery,
    Solis hybrid inverter,

    Eddie Water diverter.


    Quote #2 includes a battery, however, I’ve seen that this brand isn’t the best so unsure on that.


    Also, through space issues with our ongoing extension, we would have to house the unit in the garage. Has anyone any experience of this?

    Ta!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,978 ✭✭✭deezell


    If it can knock €800 a year off your utility bill, and if you can get to ten years without a cent on repair or maintenance costs, (cleaning the leaves and bird shyt off the panels), then you will at least have got to pocket the grant as a saving, and still have the infrastructure, though battery and inverter would be statistically end of life. You'll know at the end of the first year what the savings are. It varies wildly depending on your self consumption.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 MrBusso


    Thanks. My yearly usage is approximately 2600kWh and with my missus going on Mat leave from October that will increase.(neither of us work from home).

    I'm just surprised at the difference in cost with the battery included. Makes me think its too good to be true 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭WildCardDoW


    So had a crowd out and the installer was fairly honest and said there's a big risk with 80+ year old rosemary tiles that they could break and the way the roofs were installed could cause issues and make it very hard to safely secure panels.

    Looks like solar is off the market for me for now - other places may be willing to do it but I've to weigh the risks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,978 ✭✭✭deezell


    This is what you need. Should be some companies who do them here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,978 ✭✭✭deezell


    Or these special in roof mounts for clay tiled

    https://edilians.eu/easy-roof-evolution.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭DC999


    I won't pretend to know if that main roof is not feasible. But if it is, do you have another flat roof like an extension or large shed? I've 5 panels on a flat roof. Others here have a garden full. Some even did the ones in the garden before the main roof - unusual but hey!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    There's loads of them in new builds in the UK, that style of panel would make adding panels difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,978 ✭✭✭deezell


    Who'd be adding panels though? You'd surely install what you could, or what you need in one go on a given stretch of roof, especially if it has to be in-roof replacing the tiles rather than sitting on top. New builds save the cost of tiling, as you're tiling with panels, albeit in roof type, or standard type sat in specific in roof frames. You can panel to the edge too, for a visually neat finish, whereas you've to leave a margin on the grant spec installs, which always visually jars. There must be some in roof installs here somewhere.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭WildCardDoW


    I have an extension and flat roof concrete wall sheds but I think the issue is they'll only get half the available sun and could be easily blocked by tall tress from the neighbours. They'd already be partially limited due to trees at the back boundary (see photo below!)

    However the sheds would be great for battery storage as well ha.

    I'm onto one more place as know someone in there (friend of a friend) but that two have now said it is really interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭WildCardDoW


    To be fair, I've a small roof so if I go for one side that would be it done I'd imagine.

    Anything I do I have to keep in mind the ability to add a velux somewhere (ideally at the back).

    Thanks @deezell - that and even actual solar tiles might be options, albeit more expensive (once I get some prices!).

    I'll put the quotes in here if I get them.

    Post edited by WildCardDoW on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    The ones I saw only had 4 panels in the centre of the roof probably the minimum required for building regulations, there certainly was plenty of room on the roof for more panels but they'd look terrible around the inbuilt ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭DC999


    For sure having them on the main roof is best for shading - as you say



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Can batteries be fitted in an attic eaves?



  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Fernagx


    Tiger Neo N-type 54HL4R-B

    10 x JKM440N-54HL4R-B
    440 Watt panels
    25 Year Product Warranty

    5G RHI Hybrid Inverter - 1PH

    DC (3-6k)

    5kW of Inverter Power

    SOLIS

    1 x RHI-5K-48ES-5G

    5.0 -year Standard Warranty

    BER Included

    Quote is €5.9k AFTER Grant.

    What do you think?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭WildCardDoW


    Salesman from ******* gave a price of around €6K for 5 panels on the extension, he also mentioned the main roof tiles as a no go for panels.

    Messed around with model here to see if that makes sense for what it costs v it can earn especially as I have noticeably lower bills than many (as low as €80 in summer up to €160 last year before the refund scheme).

    https://pvwatts.nrel.gov/pvwatts.php

    Overall I think I'm out of the running until I find someone willing to install on the main roof or otherwise wait until that needs to be updated and do something then.

    Also, for anyone else in a similar situation shademap.app was quite useful as it generated a fairly accurate 3D model of the houses in the area that casts shadow and gives the expected annual sunlight hours as 1055 on the extension roof. Roughly a quarter of the main roof at 4272. Neither would be 100% accurate as the app doesn't put an apex on the roof so I'm sure it would drop the sunlight hours with that.

    Modnote, no naming installers

    Post edited by graememk on


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Thats very very expensive.

    Did they give any reason for not installing on the main roof?

    Try a few more installers (we have a list pinned that people here have used, list is not exhaustive, but a good starting point)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭WildCardDoW


    Three installers so far have said they won't install due to 70ish year old rosemary tiles.

    Basically small and brittle tiles from what I've heard.

    They basically rule it out as soon as they see them. I assume it makes the install harder or riskier.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30 Borax2709


    16 panels - 6.9 kWp, hybrid invertor and maybe 5 or 10 KwH of storage.

    Flat roof - 3 storey so ballast/flat roof installation and cherry picker probably adding some cost.

    No grant as house 2021 build.

    10.5k with no battery

    12.5k with 5

    14k with 10

    Have had 2/3 quotes all in and around this price. Feels kind of standard? (Dublin based)



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Ah yes I remember your other posts now.

    Honestly I don't blame them, old tiles can be very brittle, practically irreplaceable. If they went up and even if they were very careful and still broke a tile, they'd be responsible to fix it

    And I'm sure you don't want to replace your roof either!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,978 ✭✭✭deezell


    €6K for 5 panels sounds like a 'someone actively ate your cash' quote alright.

    You should perhaps try talking to a builder/roofing business with a view to a solution for either fitting the rail hooks, or else sinking a waterproof space to carry in-roof panels. It wouldn't be that difficult to just replace the problem clay tiles with flat conrete pantiles, in such a way that the solar panels will cover the changed tiles. This would give you a robust base to work on under the panels, and a large stack of spare clay tiles should any of the perimeter ones break.

    Installers are one trick ponies it seems, just interested in the in and out cash cow work, no problem solving additional skills beyond the basics. Talk to some builders/roofers about getting the rails up, in-roof frames, or just retiling the target roof area. It will cost more no matter what the solution. Just check also that you won't fall foul of planning by altering the visual character of the roof, It sounds like it could have architectural heritage issues if all the roofs have these ancient pretty tiles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    Are these all a standard size, the reas9n I ask, is if I wanted to swap my existing panels for these, is it mechanical straight forward?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭WildCardDoW


    Yeah, a quick Google shows some specialist equipment so it seems like they just don't like to bother.

    Onto one last crowd here ha.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭reggie3434


    Got a quote from that Flogas offer after survey,happy out with it so far:

    -5k for 10 panels and 2 optimizer, no battery + hybrid inverter , they look after the BER now aswell.

    Will report back when finished as going with this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 danb_2010


    Question for those who have, or have considered, an Eddi diverter.

    Going for a 8kw set up with battery (19 panels). Reasonably high energy consumption household, particularly as one family member works from home. I like the idea / concept of the diverter and our old(er) timer / boost control leaves a lot to be desired, however, depending on needs I have been seeing mixed opinions about the current need / sense in getting a diverter given one can now sell back to the grid.

    I don’t mind the initial outlay on the diverter, so more so wanted to check if there is any meaningful drawbacks to having the diverter such as the extent of savings (and based on the assumption that rates offered for buyback may also diminish over time) in otherwise selling back to the grid. Or is the consensus that they are handy to have?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    When do you need hot water?(AM or PM,can you get away with heating tank at 7am) have you a good insulated tank? (that will last longer). All questions like this are dependent on your own situation.

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 danb_2010


    Thanks for the reply. Need hot water AM (6-7am) and PM (6-8pm) due to a few in the household training / playing sports in the evening. Tank is reasonably well insulated. Currently operate / rely on a timer daily around / before the above mentioned times to ensure adequate hot water.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭reggie3434


    in same situation but going without the eddi and upgrading the immersion switch instead (currently have a switchbot which can be unreliable)


    I see the eddi as another device to manage and don’t need hot water all day

    Post edited by reggie3434 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 danb_2010


    Thanks for the replies. Appreciate it.

    Last question from me (which I’m struggling with) and not looking to open a can of worms on the whole smart meter vs standard day/night meter debate, but for a system size of 8kWp (19 panels plus 5.3kWh battery) with estimated 50-60% usage, would it make most sense to switch to a smart meter in terms of exporting back, or would a standard day/night metre with say a 21c per kWh microgen rate and using ESB’s Deemed Export Quantity be sufficient, or would I be leaving “a lot” of money on the table by not having the smart meter with accuracy on exporting figures?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    No deemed export for new installs

    There is a smart meter replacement for the Day night meter now, you can stay on your standard plan as normal and get measured export.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17 danb_2010


    Ah ok, this is good to know. Thank you. I’ll get in contact with ESB ASAP and request an RM108 installation.

    Presumably upon install the standard microgen rate offered by my provider for non-smart D/N plans will then kick in but based on actual export figures?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    The microgen rate is the same no matter what your plan is (within a supplier)

    We don't have dynamic pricing yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Nolars


    Does anyone know if it's possible add a ground mount system with an existing roof installation? Only space for 3 more panels which would bring the system up to 5kw so just wondering if a ground system would make more sense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 newtosolar


    Graememk. Just wondering was it you that answered my post a while ago about heating my existing radiators with PV solar panels heating a separate copper cylinder. If so you mentioned using a Deye Inverter. Have you any Idea If that Inverter is suitable for use In Ireland please. Thank you.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Deye and sunsynk are the same inverter.

    for use in ireland, as long as you can get the correct certs for it you can use it on grid, (certs are for the NC6)
    deye certs are here https://www.deyeinverter.com/product/hybrid-inverter-1/sun3-3-6-5-6ksg04lp1-3-6kw-single-phase.html

    sunsynk certs are here: https://www.sunsynk.org/product-certifications
    as for what your doing, Ive done it.. Back when i had a 5c night rate!
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058250939/water-battery-20kwh-of-extra-storage/
    I have since moved onto a heatpump, (can still use the buffer tank as storage even with the HP)




  • Registered Users Posts: 7 newtosolar


    Graememk, Thanks much obliged for response. My Idea was to be completely separate from Grid just to heat my Central Heating rads as best I can In winter. To have a changeover switch to heat my DHW Cylinder (summer time) for when plenty of power coming from Solar Panels. To have a socket as a standby where I have a Grid outage. ALL separate from Grid. If you live In Ireland have you used the Deye/Sunsyk Inverter and You happy with It. JS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭flyer_query


    Is this their "4 kWp solar offer and a post works BER for only €4,800" offer?

    Any further feedback on Flogas - who installs, lead time, any negotiation etc?

    Did you price around?

    Do you get to keep the BER for future use or do they have exclusive use of it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 danb_2010


    For those of you who use Flogas for your Solar system, just to check is their 20c microgen rate for both the Certa and BWG affinity plans or just BWG? Looking at the offer pages, the BWG (which ends in March 2025) references the microgen rate of 20c, whereas the Certa page doesn’t make any reference at all to microgen rates. Thanks



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    The ber is part of the grant process, so I'd say you'd get to keep it, as they have no use for it.

    The accessor will publish it to you and to whoever is processing the grant application.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭reggie3434


    yes that’s the offer, 4/5 weeks lead time and the partner of Flogas install using own staff.


    priced about 5 different companies so far and this the best, no haggling as already getting sub from flogas


    had one installer quote 3.5k more (there was 2 more panels) and scoffed at my estimate of 6/7k, they were using a pool of panels ( again didn’t inspire me) and the extra cost was because of the great support/brand name which was the third strike


    just waiting on sorting a job in house before paying deposit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,285 ✭✭✭✭Standard Toaster


    My turn

    What are people's thoughts on this price?

    Solar Panels
    ***
    8.700 kW Total Solar Power
    20 x 435 Watt Panels (TWMNH-48HD435)
    6,968 kWh per year

    5G RHI Hybrid Inverter - 3PH DC (5-10k)
    5kW
    of Inverter Power   
    SOLIS
    1 x RHI-3P5K-HVES-5G
     
    10.0 -year Standard Warranty

    Eco-Smart Energy Diverter
    3.68 kW, Single Phase Eco-Smart Energy Diverter
    1 x EDDI-16A1P02H

    Total System Price €13,773

    SEAI €2,100.00

    Purchase Price €11,673

    Post edited by graememk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Well, first off… you should edit your post and "xxxxx" out the supplier (or one of the moderators will do it).

    The quote itself is probably on the pricey side. Plug your figures into…

    Solar Quote Analyser (davidhunt.ie)

    That'll give you a ballpark. Remember the solar advisor website is only an ballpark. If you are paying more by a few % points, it's not neccessarily a bad deal and you should pass. Many people have gotten good installs done over the years, and paid slighly more than the guide price. (And some have beaten the guide price)

    the main function of the advisor is to help stop people being ripped off. Many of us wouldn't have a bog about how much these things cost and some less scrupulous installers use that fact to over charge people. That's the main function of the website, so that you'll have a "ballpark" figure to go off of. If you're within 5-10% your probably doing ok. /

    One comment I'd have though is that system is a pretty beefy install. I take it you've looked at your bills and determined you'll use it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,285 ✭✭✭✭Standard Toaster


    Thanks for the feedback.
    Not sure where I mentioned the supplier?

    One comment I'd have though is that system is a pretty beefy install. I take it you've looked at your bills and determined you'll use it?

    We used 6809 kWh last year, hope to have that down this year (new house, better-rated appliances)
    I work from home so skipped on the battery.

    I've seen a few posts here where folks have said if they could do it all again they would max out on the initial solar panel install.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,285 ✭✭✭✭Standard Toaster


    Q: Is the 5kW inverter a bottleneck here?
    I mean if we're producing 8.700 kW and the inverter is 5kW, what happens to the remaining 3.7kW? (assumes we're maxing the array I guess)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Max install? Yup, I'd be one of those posters who'd also advocate maximizing all your available roof space. My own case, I got the initial install of 14 panels. Then added 3 more. Then added 6 more, but my case is a little unusual. Would have been a lot cheaper if I could have gotten it all done at the same time (not possible for me)

    That said, you can have too much too. While the current climate of FIT is pretty generous (~€0.20/kwh), there's no garuntee that we'll always have these nice high FIT rates. With no battery, you might be exporting your surplus at low rates. However, with a consumption of 7000Kwh, you definetely are above average which is about 4500Kwh, so you'd be doing well there with that sized array.

    Regarding your question is the 5Kw a bottleneck. No, "not really" is the answer. Sure, you might experience "clipping", but if you do, you might end up losing a few (single digit) % of your overall production for the year.

    Take me today. Blue skies outside, it's noon….here's my production for today.

    Barely breaking 4kw off a 6.5Kwp system. The reality is that the sun as it moves around the sky doens't face the panels directly, so there's a "slant angle" to consider. If your entire 8.7Kwp was facing south then you would probably be "clipped" to 5kw for 2-3 hrs in the summer months, but overall…..you'll still be getting 95%+ of the production.
    If your roofs were E/W (like mine) it's unlikely you'll see much if any clipping. I've never seen any even though I've 6.5Kwp on a 5Kw inverter.

    Edit: With 8.7Kwp on 5Kw, you would of course be more likely to see clipping, but again, the actual loss you'll have out of the year is single % points. The 8.7Kwp is much needed for those days where it's cloudy and your only generating (say) 20-30% of your max production. Say 3Kw - so on those days you won't see any bottleneck



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,978 ✭✭✭deezell


    5G RHI Hybrid Inverter - 3PH

    That's a 3 phase inverter, you have a 3 phase supply I assume?



  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭wush06


    Might as well throw my quote in as well for some feedback please. There is no Eddi it’s not a hybrid inverter and no BER.

    Any input would be great thanks




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,285 ✭✭✭✭Standard Toaster


    Ah I see, thanks for that. Makes total sense.

    I'll seek out x2 more quotes I think. 👍️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,285 ✭✭✭✭Standard Toaster


    Well spotted, just checked and I'm def single phase. I'll query that with them. (was just a sales guy out)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Bawnmore


    I had the same as that installed a few weeks ago except with a hybrid Solis inverter for €6,100 net.



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