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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,201 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Am I the only person who heard of thanks trolling just now in here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,194 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    'thought police' isn't a buzzword for people you disagree with? or 'circle jerk' etc?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,398 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Limits are one thing, calling for certain topics to be banned is another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Ahwell




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    I think there's more liberal progressive thinking and pseudo marxist class based thinking on boards than genuine left wing economic thinking. Left wing to me concerns economics and money, specifically thinking the state should provide a certain levels of supports and minimise inequalities. It's perfectly feasible to argue that favouring increased immigration would in modern Ireland be both socially progressive and also economically right wing (increased government spending towards private entities providing housing, siphoning of income from the state towards off shore tax entities). An anti-immigration economically left wing party could also feasibly exist without being a contradiction. Personally I think the current housing/migration issue suits FG/FF to the ground as they get to sound caring and sharing while enriching corporate entities



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,676 ✭✭✭✭Deja Boo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,652 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Thats not the question that was put to you. How about trying to answer it?

    I gave a scenario of a post plainly abusing another poster.

    If I call you (personally abusive insult X) is that being a dick? You agree there are such insults which should not be allowed on boards under attacking the poster rule? Yes?

    You agree the original poster can legitimately be sanctioned by moderation? Yes or no?

    Is that censorship yes or no?

    So is thanking such a plainly abusive post being a dick or not? Yes or no?

    Is it piling on? Yes or no?

    And you went off on a tangent of deflections. When you cant even answer a straight question it says it all.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭nachouser


    ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,124 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    A poster on this thread said transphobia should be banned, despite the definition of transphobia differing wildly from person to person. Another poster said any mention of the term illegal immigration should be banned as it was right wing phrasing to slur genuine asylum seekers. I would see initiating both of those posters views carte blanche (the transphobia comment seemed to imply that any dissenting position was phobic) as censoring debate. Of course boards is free to allow whatever it wants on it's platform so if they do decide to do that they can.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I can actually think of a fair few posters that were openly Holocaust deniers. Can think of another that frequently posts anti semitic material. Equally I can think of active posters that have praised firebombings.

    That's an incredibly vague claim that feels like you should easily able to backup with some examples.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    …and I'm sure both posters will say you are misrepresenting what they posted. You clearly didn't get the illegal immigration reference because that is not what she said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,448 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The site isn't dying because have different opinions. Its because they are being obnoxious about it and drives people away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    I've seen how that poster reacts to discussion on the refugee thread, and my opinion of how that post is meant is coloured by that. The fact that they have been banned from that thread twice is indicative of their ability to argue in good faith.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    She still didn't say what you said she did and I don't see how any of the above is relevant to this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Kindly in that case, give me a few good clear examples of where I 'soapbox'. Surely as you accuse me of this now & previously, you must be able to instance examples.

    And then we shall see what 'soapboxing' is and judge it in the context of other posters comments.

    Please advise further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,100 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    That was me.

    I believe transphobia should be banned on boards as homophobia and racism is.

    Tell me this, should people be allowed to argue homosexuality is real or not? If it's of course not, why should we allow debates whether trans people are real or not? Why do we allow debates where trans women are called men and people refuse to believe they're women, but we would (rightly) ban a debate asking if homosexual males aren't just straight men that hadn't met the right woman yet?

    Racism is banned on boards. Many people people believe deep down that white people are the pinnacle of evolution. Why are they denied a place at the debate table?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,124 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You said you would leave this because you admitted you were wrong in what you said ..and now here you are going on about it again.

    "All I asked was how that backup was requested."

    This is complete rubbish .

    Stop trying to rewrite the story . You accused me and another poster at 1.30 am on the thread of pming people for a pile on . And you the one giving out to other posters here for mentioning pile ons ! I had to defend myself against a post that frankly was an attack and would have been reported anywhere else .

    I am not going to sit here and let you try to make what I posted the fault . It was not what was said , what was done and you just lost the run of yourself making false accusations .

    Are you now going to keep on telling stories ?

    Take responsibility for your very incorrect posting and leave it out of the thread now as was agreed ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    OK, that's a serious charge. Please give me good clear examples where "I've seen you go well out of your way to ruin threads on more than one occasion"

    If that's your moderator opinion, I'd like to see it illustrated with examples so that it will be a learning experience for all.

    But I predict you won't be able to find any and this is a figment of imagination. I post in good faith and engage in debate to challenge arguments put up.

    Isn't it interesting that you as a mod are engaging in attacking the poster rather than the post, one of the core tenets of boards???

    So please illustrate your allegation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I quite agree, some of the most grievous attacks on open debate come not from dictatorships, but in truth are attempted censure from so called liberals who want to shut down the exchange of ideas to suit their own agendas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    I'm not getting into a debate about transphobia and what is or isn't transphobic. This is a feedback thread not Current Affairs reloaded. My point is that definitions of what is left wing, right wing, transphobic etc. vary from poster to poster and as long as posters post sincerely discussion should be allowed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,854 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    We are far past the days of political discourse or debate when a certain outspoken percentage of the userbase consider those they disagree with as evil / nazis / racists / or whatever other power wielding buzz word the thought police come up with.

    Let me just put this on record.

    I don't view some people as evil / nazis / racists because they disagree with me. I consider some people evil / nazis / racists because they either show themselves to be evil / nazis / racists or they support bona fide evil / nazis / racists.

    And I think part of the role of people in society who don't want to have to deal with people who are evil / nazis / racists is that they call out the behaviour that is synonymous with evil / nazis / racists.

    I don't think that anyone can look at out society and deny that there is an increase of people displaying evil / nazi / racist tendencies and if this is the case, then why can we presume they wouldn't call to Boards from time to time? And I do not want to see a growth in the occurrence and reach of evil / nazi / racist speech or sentiment. Because it is demonstrably harmful to society. Harmful and dangerous.

    I don't think it is enough to not just partake or condone evil / nazi / racist speech, I think it is the duty of all of us who want a safe and propserous (and sustainable society) to call out those who do condone such speech and sentiment.

    And for the record, once, on here have I ever directly called someone racist. And I did so in clear view on a busy thread and didn't receive a single post in response, from anyone, challenging me for doing that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    Since you're demanding evidence, how about some evidence to back up this statement by you…

    "they are influenced by a cabal of activists who are in broad synchronicity with moderators."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,971 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The evidence is the amount of threads you soapboxed yourself into a ban after multiple warnings to move on.

    But faux indignation is part of your routine.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Very true. Like, feedback threads are supposed to provide... Feedback. Yet we have pages and pages of people from either side of their entrenched positions arguing with each other for page after page. It would be far more constructive if they just put forward their feedback and checked the internet egos at the door.

    Here's the thing, the vast VAST majority of posters don't give a shiny shite about this weird ass culture war that's raging these days, they just want to pop onto the forum and chat about stuff. Some of it current affairs, some of it absolute nonsense. I have over 50k posts and at least 70% of them are playing an online forum game called Werewolf for example!

    I don't have a problem with debate at all but to be honest I have even less interest in debating with someone over the internet that has already made up their mind!!

    So in the spirit of getting out of these circular arguments about lefties wanting this and righties wanting that, I have a question.

    What does boards mean to you, personally? Like what do you envisage it as in the future if you could wipe the slate clean?

    For me I'd love to have the functionalities back so Forum Games could kick off again. There was a damn good community there and it was all lost as the Vanilla move took away a lot of the functions vital for games to be played.

    A functional search option for instance. The ability to check individual threads via post count. Being able to multi quote.

    Simple things you want the forum to do but Vanilla are incapable of providing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Does Boards.ie have any full time employees at present? Or any employees at all? Who are the current owners?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,010 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Ah no, not the cabal again! Cant have a repeat of last night 😯



  • Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    No offense…but why would you bother with all of this? I must admit in your position I wouldn't be arsed. I am probably a lazy person, but even allowing for that.

    The site is basically a graveyard, as the OP said, so why waste effort. The fundamental issues, in my view, are not even to do so much with inactive moderators and so on, but much more core base level.

    Where's the strategy for the site? What's its long term future? What's its mission statement? Does it even have one? What are the websites core values, the non-negotiables?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,971 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    In a few hours we are due more "pile on" complaints.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    I know, but i kind of felt it had to be done…sorry.



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