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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭ArrBee


    At the rush of detailing the thread further....

    How would you feel about birthday presents being taxed when you receive them?

    You haven't done anything to earn it, so it's fair game right?

    I think there are various ways the tax system can be changed to make things more fair. Perhaps some form of inheritance tax could be part of that, but in it's current shape most people resent it as a double taxation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Just curious why try so hard to avoid inheritance tax so desperately. Why shouldn't some of it contribute to the running of the state, which it's self actually operates as a charity in many ways.

    YoYou could buy up bits of land and re-wild it, make it a wildlife sanctuary and donate it to the state to maintain it when you're gone. Name it after yourself and you'll have a placename legacy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    gift the max allowable tax free yearly sum to your nieces and nephews every year.

    Open accounts in their name and keep lodging until they come of age.

    As for your siblings if you’re not close then no need to leave them anything , just because they are, if you want to do that then maybe do something similar to the above.

    if you want to donate, then make a wish Ireland, might sound interesting to you. Kids with life ending illnesses and other issues like that, might be quite rewarding for you to help people like that. A lot of times they aren’t big things either.

    Disadvantaged children charity or something similar, especially around Christmas time , there are plenty of things like that, same as above a lot of times it simple things that gives them a little bit of joy.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,290 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    this is a common suggestion - there are also various eNGOs and charities doing similar; might be worth leaving the land to them (or leasing it to them long term on a peppercorn rent) to gain the benefit of the expertise which might come along with it.

    they may be more interested/able to make better use of it, than the state would, for whom it could potentially be a very small amount of land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,942 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Don't want to sidetrack the thread, what if Joe saved his 28K for the next 20 years and wanted to give to his child,it'll be taxed again. That's theft



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭buzz11


    You could leave an amount of money to all your first cousin's, for example €1,500 each which would give them a nice surprise



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,188 ✭✭✭893bet


    Go back a generation. Maybe Pats father saved every penny he could and went with out. And joes father earned twoice as much as Pat but pissed everything up against the wall. This is why simple analogies are well too simple.

    Most important thing here it to not hate the player but hate the game. OP is right to look for legal means to avoid taxation on inheritance he wants to give. Only a fool wouldnt think that way.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,290 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    You can see I've offered genuine suggestions as to what to do to with the money. No hating of players here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,735 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    No, it isn't. After all, If Joe spends his savings on having his house redecorated, the decorater is liable to income tax on what Joe pays him, even though Joe pays him with money that is already taxed. In both cases the movement of the money from Joe to the recipient is a new taxable event which has never been taxed before. That event is taxed only once.

    It's entirely legitimate for Joe to seek to structure his affairs so as to minimise the amount of inheritance tax that his heirs will be liable to, but it's important not to let the tail wag the dog. At the extreme, Joe can avoid his family having any inheritance tax liability simply by donating his entire estate to charity, but if he does that then the objective of minimising tax is taking priority over the objective of providing for people for whom Joe (presumably) cares. Joe shouldn't do that unless that really does represent his priority.

    In general, Joe should first of all think about who he wants to provide for and only then consider how to provide for them in the most tax-efficient manner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,294 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    A lot of back and forth on the principle of taxation of inheritance but that's not what the OP asked.

    The OP hasn't been back to comment on the suggestions to date, so perhaps they got what they needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,521 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Sorry to hear that the idea of not destroying out planet makes you sick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,290 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Is there any 'investment' you can make in a relative that would not be counted as a gift?

    E.g. if I paid for my niece to return to college to do a masters, I assume that qualifies as taxable in a way it might not with a daughter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    It's funny how the mind works, but there is one particular post in this thread and, upon reading it, your mind automatically manifests an image of what that individual looks like, how the poster behaves etc.

    Purely by reading the words in the post.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,521 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,627 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Lads take it to PM its nothing to do with the OP's question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,294 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I'm sure the OP has their own priorities. Give him, and the rest of us a break.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    You are posting on this thread from your tent in the Amazon I suppose?

    You have a post on another thread of ordering a Lenovo thinkpad from a German seller, but it came with a Swedish keyboard. So you ordered an English keyboard from “China “

    Did your seller deliver the laptop from Germany by Canoe? Did the English keyboard you ordered from a sweatshop in “China “ get delivered by one of those Chinese balloons that have been in the news recently?

    Get a grip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,474 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,521 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    That's the problem - that his priorities (or the priorities that others are recommending to him) impact the rest of us.

    You did notice that it's a refurbished second hand machine, which avoids the environmental cost of manufacturing and transporting a new machine, right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,627 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Yawn….That was a nice interesting thread we had…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    which part are you referring to, the key board shipped from china or the laptop shipped from Germany?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭Hooked


    Spend it while you're here! After all - you've earned it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,477 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Put your assets out of reach come your old age. Im all for paying a fair share in home etc but with that kind of money, you would get completely robbed if in home for a few years.

    Seek advice of a financial professional on how best to achieve it.

    It would be wise to start giving out the small gift amount each year no doubt. You could tell your relatives that you are giving out 3k to them each year for the next 5 years. If they are young, it would be a huge boost. They could save for college or buy their first car etc. In 5 years, you could review matters.

    Id certainly do everything possible to ensure there was no tax payable.



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    the only way is to report the off topic troll posts. Let the mods issue bans



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,521 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,572 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    Moderation: I think this has run its course given that the OP has left the scene.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,572 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    Moderation: The thread has now been re-opened at the OPs request. There has been a fair bit of disruptive posting and I will be looking at thread, and if neccessary, forum bans if this persists beyond this point. For clarification, this includes attacking a poster personally, bringing in vendattas from outside fora and dragging threads off topic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 onemillion


    Hi,
    Some really good suggestions here, thanks everyone. To be honest I was expecting stupid "You can leave it to me!" type replies but most of the posts had really interesting, insightful points, so thanks for that.

    For example, it never occurred to me to leave the yearly tax-free amount to my nices/nephews. I'm going to set those accounts up on condition it's used for education or whatever, if possible (thanks @Larbre34).

    I survived meningitis when I was young. I see a number of Meningitis-based charities in Ireland however only one (Meningitis Research Foundation) seems to be on Revenue's Resident charities and approved bodies list (2350 charities in ireland - jeepers! 🤨) . Given the past scandals involving CEO pay and expenses of various charities, I'll check them out and start making donations/bequest if they pan out. https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/information-about-revenue/statistics/other-datasets/charities/resident-charities.aspx

    First time I've actually looked into the cost of nursing home care and I was shocked. Maybe I won't have as much to leave behind as I thought! 😅 I've heard horror stories of the Fair Deal scheme on the surviving family, from a solicitor. So yes, having no money is a better option there! While strictly speaking that wouldn't be my problem, I don't want to leave a mess behind. Looking at the cost of a private nursing home, it seems to be about €85k a year, probably €100k by the time I might need one. Selling the house and shares should pay for a few years. But I'll keep that cost in mind, thanks for bringing it up.

    Thanks @Deeec for the 'carer representative' suggestion. That's a harder one as being an introvert, I don't know many people outside immediate family, and even less that would be willing to look after an old fart, but I'll look into that.

    And finally, travel. Yes. There will come a day when even going to the shops will be an effort. I will make an effort to travel a bit more. Have some hobbies that I can start focusing more on too.

    Thanks for everyones thoughts. I'll keep checking this post every so often for anything new.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,290 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Do your nieces or nephews have any hobbies they share with you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭howsshenow


    You need to be very careful with Generation entitlement and "well meaning" advice from some.

    Do not entertain the idea of giving someone an Annual gift for nothing, tax efficiency or not. Also be wary of falling for guilt traps or manipulation if they see you are a soft target. You will be the most popular choice for Godparent to everyone and there will be no end to the gravytrain.

    Definitely give good wedding presents and a generous gift when they buy a house and pay for an occasional meal out etc.

    Be careful with your money. You've got your own life, go and enjoy it and don't feel like you have to explain it to anyone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 onemillion




  • Registered Users Posts: 7 onemillion


    Reviewed my pensions, from 2 jobs. Death benefit of one is €56k the other is €378k 😆 Have to look up the plan rules to see how it'll be paid out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,294 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    You should have already been asked , by both schemes, who you were nominating for those benefits. Also many Death benefits cease at a particular age.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 onemillion


    I think my older brother, but will have to check. I didn't know that about death benefit - you mean to say that if you die, say after 70, then no death benefit is paid? Though I suppose each pension scheme is different, will have to check. Thanks…



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  • Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭backwards_man


    Why leave it behind? You are fortunate to have such wealth at your disposal. You are still young and if you are in good health spend it. All of it. On yourself and life experiences. Travel first class. See exotic locations. Live in another country. Eat wonderful food. If you have 15 more years of good health you are a lucky person. Live!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,497 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    So easy to blow a million, spending it on lavish trips and experiences not wise.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,290 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Yeah, 'spend it on expensive things for yourself' is not a way to live an interesting life.

    Why is travelling first class such a go-to in these suggestions? 'make a dull experience slightly less dull at great expense' is not an 'I'm so glad I did that' deathbed thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭wandererz


    The thread should be closed.

    The OP needs to get sound professional advice.

    This is not the forum for this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 653 ✭✭✭Sonic the Shaghog


    You could also be a cute heure now and start drawing the odd few hundred in cash and give it to the nieces and nephews, the siblings if they haven't as much money and need that boiler fixed etc. **** revenue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,294 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    As has already been said, sometimes people are very happy with the lives they have at present and have no interest in travel or moving abroad. I know it can be difficult for some to grasp but people can be extremely happy with a simple life. An example would be that I like to change my car every 2 or 3 years. I usually get all the spec that can be got but it's still an average every day make and model. I could easily afford a premium brand of luxury car but I just don't want one. The OP could move to a luxury apartment but may love living where they are now. Everybody gets satisfaction and fulfilment from a different life style.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭backwards_man


    Because as you get older getting around especially in places you are not familiar with can be daunting and a blocker to seeing new places. Travelling first class, paying for vip access at an airport where you don't have to queue endlessly holding heavy bags etc...which is more difficult to navigate when you are older, Being able to afford a pickup at the airport and private transfer to your hotel etc...makes the experience doable if you can afford it. Travelling at 70 which is not that far off for the OP is not the same as travelling when you are 30 even if you visit the same place.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,290 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    'the OP should seek professional advice' can be sound advice, while being compatible with the thread remaining open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,735 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    It's quite common for there to be no death benefit paid if you die after having retired, or the only benefit is the return of your accumulated pension fund.

    Remember, the purpose of a pension scheme is to replace your earnings. If you drop dead at 45 you're going to miss out on twenty years of expected earnings, and your spouse and other dependants are going to have a pretty thin time of it. So a lot of schemes include a death-in-service benefit that will pay out a useful lump sum in these circumstances. It doesn't cost a lot to provide that benefit, because relatively few scheme members will die before age 65, and the scheme takes out group life insurance to cover the risk.

    But if you die after retirement, you don't have any earnings that need to be replaced, so there isn't the same need for a death benefit. Plus, since everybody who retires will eventually die, providing a death-in-retirement benefit is very expensive. It can only be funded by substantially reducing everyone's retirement income, which runs counter to the main point of a pension scheme.

    So, bottom line: a lot of schemes offer a signficant benefit on death in service or on death before attaining retirement age, either as standard or as an option that you can choose — you'll need to check the rules of your own scheme to see exactly what is provided. But, on death after leaving service/after attaining retirement age, most schemes offer only the return of your unused pension savings.

    Post edited by Peregrinus on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    First class is an outlier in terms of value for money. When I worked for an airline people were booking it at 13k per trip.

    What you find is that a lot of people who have accumulated wealth have done so by habituating themselves to living below their means and it's unlikely that on retirement they would simply start throwing cash into the fire. It probably wouldn't be good for their mental health anyway. Kevin O'Leary is a squillionaire but won't buy a coffee out because it costs 4 dollars out vs 18 cents at home.

    It depends on the person but for some (me included), the psychological security blanket of accumulated wealth and the belief in its persistence, is much better enjoyed in economy class.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 onemillion


    Thanks. Yes, as I said in the original message, "I'm looking for some ideas. I will talk to a financial advisor eventually of course."



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