Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

There's nothing new about this. Some of the biggest proponents of Zionism are massive antisemites. Take John Hagee and CUFI. Putting up the funds to expand Israeli settlements all with the hope that it triggers the second coming of Jesus so he comes back to convert or barbeque the Jews. They've made it sufficiently obscure that most can't differentiate the two and any criticism of Israel is deemed antisemitic.

He has a point though, does he not?
Zionism seems to be the militant wing of Judaism but he’s saying there are many Jews who don’t want Zionism.
He saying Zionism is basically giving Judaism a bad name and driving antisemitism- which makes a lot of sense tbh.

Also would it not be a fair statement to say I support the Jews of Israel but I don’t support the zionists, likewise I support the Palestinians of Palestine but I don’t support hamas.

it would be logical for israel to try and get a ceasefire asap before the situation escalates into chaos or into total war .the problem is bibi does not want to have a ceasefire ,he wants to declare total victory for political reasons

Right wing zionism is the problem. As I've mentioned before, I believe that israel has a right to exist. I believe that it has a right to security. I'm 100% anti settlements. However the far right zionists want everyone to conflate opposition to the settlements with antisemitism. So according to them I'm an antisemite.

Zionism should be a broad church. There should be room for varying beliefs about what israel should be whilst at the same time being united in the singular belief that israel should exist.

Unfortunately the far right in zionism increases antisemitism. The same way militant Muslims increase Islamophobia, militant judaism increases antisemitism. The same kind of idiot who believes that militant islamists are representative of all muslims will believe that militant settlers are representative of all jewish people.

my sentiments exactly

It's obvious why Omar wasn't ousted. She's too hard to move. Even a big big influx of money might not have shifted her. There's a really strong far left and East African vote in her area. She's terrible, a real disaster of a politician. She'd have gotten on well with 'Oh Jeremy Corbyn' types in Ireland and the UK. When she's re elected she ll have less of the squad around her...which is good.

This is so salient!

The one thing this "conflict" has completely opened my eyes to although I empathized with the Palastinians long before October of last year is how Western hegemony is rotten to the core. As we're allied with the West we like to see ourselves on the right side. We may have even turned a blind eye to it cause of the comfort it affords us but nothing has shattered this illusion more than the enablement of what's unfolding in Gaza.

The complicity of media framing stories in ways to suit their backers; Israelis are butchered/slaughtered/murdered by Hamas whilst Gazans are killed/have died by some unseen unspoken force, is the most apparent example of this.

We don't live in democracies, we live in societies where a handful of power elites dictate the direction of our society. No-one summed this up better than Noah Chomsky back in 2014.