Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Hugely increasing the population and not having a plan to maintain services in line with that is not going to work.

And what do you think the 2040 plan was about exactly? It was about just that. It wasn’t just about increasing the population.

An increase in the demand for services, considering that as you suggest, many Irish people are coming out of college or university are leaving because they don’t see themselves being able to buy a home here, etc, would indicate that there will be no increased demand on services, and that they can be maintained. They are already being maintained by attempting to attract immigrants to Ireland to work in the healthcare sector -

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/f5335-up-to-1800-doctors-to-benefit-from-changes-to-immigration-rules/

The issues with UHL itself have been an ongoing issue for decades, issues that have nothing to do with an increase in the population, and certainly they have nothing to do with any suggestion that immigrants are as likely to avail of healthcare services or any other public services in Ireland, because quite frankly their participation rates are much lower than what you may wish to refer to as the indigenous population:

Conclusions

Lower use of healthcare by those born outside Ireland and the UK relative to the native Irish population may be due to different approaches to healthcare utilisation or obstacles to healthcare utilisation. The findings suggest that the utilisation of healthcare by immigrants merits continued policy attention to respond to the needs of these key groups in society and facilitate integration.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266662352100043X

UHL has it’s own issues, there was a discussion on them on here quite recently:

Regarding the last part regarding lower use if healthcare by people born outside Ireland relative to the native Irish population, I'm not certain that necessarily holds true if people seeking asylum are examined separately from people who immigrate from wealthier nations. There are endemic diseases in many developing countries which are much less common in developed nations that are either expensive to treat (HIV would be the most prominent, which of course requires long term ongoing treatment) or can predispose to later serious illnesses such as cancers (such as tuberculosis or hep B/hep C). Added to this the added costs of interpreters for communicating with patients and the lesser likelihood that asylum seekers will be able to fund even minimum GP costs/Hospital charges that a taxpayer above a fairly low threshold would be on the hook for. To my mind asylum seekers are likely to put a greater strain on the health service than their matched Irish counterpart in age.

I think they had a plan, the 2040 plan, which was published before the Ukraine situation and the exponential increase in the numbers of people seeking asylum in Europe, which has somewhat thrown that plan into disarray, and so the current Government needs to come up with a new plan, or a new strategy to promote economic growth and development and increase social mobility among the poorest and most deprived in Irish society.

I couldn’t give a tuppeny fcuk about Brogan Capital Ventures or Steelworks, but if you do, then there is the plan for the State to take ownership and management of the whole process of providing accommodation and services for asylum seekers and refugees in Ireland, so that private sector organisations are not profiting from payments made for services rendered. That too however has been an ongoing issue for decades in relation to the provision of homeless services by giving payments to hotels to accommodate people who are homeless, with ne’er a word about it from the same people who only NOW give a shìt about people who are homeless, because they want to pit those people against immigrants, asylum seekers and refugees.

I don’t imagine it will actually all be grand, I’ve already said that I don’t expect Roderic has all the answers, but between himself, Helen McEntee and Norma Foley in the Education portfolio - they’ve done incredible work. Stephen Donnelly has been unimpressive in his portfolio as Healtj Minister, but the Health portfolio has always been a poison chalice anyway ever since the days of Mary Harney’s disastrous tenure. Overcrowding within the hospital system has become a feature, not a bug:

This week’s figures from the INMO show there is “severe overcrowding” in the Mid Western Regional Hospital in Limerick, which has in excess of 51 patients either on trolleys or on extra beds on corridors.

https://archive.ph/ZHU4h

(Article from 2011, 13 years ago!)

I don’t think it’ll all be grand, but at a national level it’s definitely not nearly as bad as you’re trying to make out, nor do I think any of the immigration policies that have so far been suggested in this thread are ever likely to be considered, let alone implemented. In order for that to happen it would require any of the anti-immigrant one trick pony parties to succeed in getting into Government, and all evidence so far overwhelmingly suggests that the Irish people just don’t want anything to do with them.

Even those protesting against Government policies in relation to the provision of accommodation for asylum seekers and refugees, don’t want anything to do with them:

A spokesperson for a group called No to Dundrum House Hotel IPAS centre said: “We are here at the gates of Dundrum House Hotel, trying desperately to maintain our peaceful protest. We have now had members of outside groups join us, despite us expressly telling them to stay away.

“There are live TikToks being broadcast against our wishes. We have told them to leave. We do not want the trouble they seem intent on causing. We only care about Dundrum House Hotel.”

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/tipperary/news/tense-scenes-in-tipperary-as-first-group-of-international-protection-applicants-arrive-at-dundrum-house-hotel/a1733562700.html

Gombeenism…

Oh give over, I’ve no interest in trolling or any of the rest of that nonsense. The three Ministers I mentioned, I mentioned them precisely because they have done incredible work, whereas the other Minister I mentioned - Donnelly, has not been impressive at all in spite of all the promise he showed as an independent TD. Who do you imagine would have done any better in Government? Gino Kenny, Aodhán Ó Riordan, Mattie McGrath, Michael Healy Rae, Justin Barrett?

Go ahead and throw out a few names there yourself and give us all a good laugh. The fact that I didn’t mention any other current Ministers or members of Government is because they haven’t shown themselves to be at all capable, and that includes Simon Harris who has yet to be actually tested, because currently he’s been able to sit rather pretty and hasn’t demonstrated any real signs of leadership. Micheál Martin appears to be the silent partner in the current coalition Government.

brogan’s are involved as well

He will go close to topping the poll in tipp next election. Jackie cahill and Alan kelly in particular are having nothing to do with immigration issue. Farmers are only people voting for cahill.

Micheál Martin and his opinion on sovereignty.

First Irelands sovereignty. Well he say no.

Then on Ukraine he says yes well will back their sovereignty as a country.

And.