Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

I don't get The Ward residents objections to the mound improvements.

No, I didn't get 10 L and R mixed up. I questioned why could 10R not be used for landings and 10L for take offs. I am assuming that the met conditions were not a constraint for take offs. Are the residents of Portmarnock a constraint for 10L take offs even when the weather is causing problems?

10R is the preferred runway for takeoffs when the wind is from the east. Per the planning restrictions 10L should only be used in exceptional circumstances - in other words if 10R isn’t available (maintenance usually).

Yesterday they imposed single runway operations (dual runway ops is still an issue when there is low visibility) and that means use of the 10R/28L for both takeoff and landing unless it isn’t available.

Basically 10L will only ever be used for takeoffs if 10R is unavailable or in an emergency.

Thanks for a good summary of the situation. Basically there are two underlying causes of this mess: (i) the lack of suitable ILS for 10L for even moderately poor weather; (ii) the somewhat ridicluous planning conditions for the use of 10L for take offs, leading to single runway operations and heaven know how much delay, cost and emissions.

Take offs from 10L would pass over Portmarnock about 4 miles from the end of 10L. Take offs from 10R are about 1 mile to the South. If there such an earth-shattering difference, especially for daytime operations?

Its basically a big public scandal, and not being treated as such.

Single runway ops is nothing to do with lack of ILS or planning.

In that case has it got to do with either lack of suitably trained staff, or navigion aids and/or ILS which is not fully commissioned? Given that it's about 2 years since the North runway opened, I'm not very impressed with this performamce.

Any more excuses?

I’m open to correction, but my understanding is that the issue is related to maintaining dual runway ops once conditions pass a certain point, not the actual runway itself.

Off Topic, but that award goes to a group of 8 or 10 people in malahide….

North Runway closed again today, pathetic incompetence

Completion of handback works on TWY N1 & N7 due to new ground charts becoming active this morning.

28R ops resuming shortly

I doubt you're being entirely serious but Cork is very runway constrained.

https://m.independent.ie/business/traffic-blocks-plans-for-high-tech-industrial-park-close-to-dublin-airport/a950919038.html

Not strictly infrastructure related but the above article states Fingal CC have rejected industrial park due to road capacity…

“would negatively contribute to a reduction in operational efficiency of the strategic road network,” said the local authority in its decision to refuse the new plans.”

The cynic in me would think the infrastructure application could be liable to the same fate from Fingal…

I would tend to agree.

daa should be planning the third terminal now to avoid reaching the future caps and getting stuck time and time again. The planning process for a new terminal will take years alone not to mention the construction time. The 2 (3) runways are there ready to be used. As soon as cap is lifted to 36m with nothing built and 40m with the extensions to T1&2, the new caps will likely be reached very quickly and we’re back to square one each time in a very short space of time.

Passenger numbers from Jan to June are up 5% or nearly 1m passengers compared to 23. What could that have actually been without a cap..? Huge number of slots denied for winter 24/25 as a result.

Appears from FR24 that single runway ops are in use again. About 9 aircraft queued up for takeoff on 10R. Weather shows few clouds at 800 feet, scattered at 1200 and broken at 1400.

Is 10L not able to operate in these very undemanding conditiond? Or is there something else going on?

Notice re inspection.

It's just part of the wider issue that is our planning system. It's not fit for purpose. It is preventing development all over the Country. People trying to justify their jobs in councils with such nonsense.

Fingal would prefer the current dangerous unofficial viewing area than this proposal. Who would pay for the toilets upkeep? The daa? They absolutely should not entertain this idea and scrap the plan in that case.

What do Fingal County Council get from this? Are they trying to prove a point to the daa and being awkward for the sake of it? How does St Margaret’s have such much influence on FCC?

Similar with the infrastructure application, a very important, time sensitive application and they requested further information on 85 points if I remember correctly which it’s going to take 9 months for the daa to provide said information.

At this stage the DAA could offer to pay the over costs of the NCC & end world hunger & FCC would still find reason to deny it. There really needs to be a discussion at government level about how much sway a local authority can really have on such a vital piece of national infrastructure.

At the very least it would cut out some of the delays if all applications went direct to An Bord Pleanala. Almost all decisions in relation to Dublin airport from FCC regardless if they are approved or rejected ultimately end up with ABP anyway.

Another Fingal V DAA disagreement:

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/permission-refused-for-large-staff-car-park-at-dublin-airport/a280892418.html

At this stage it looks like FCC are guaranteed to oppose everythng from DAA.

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Nothing will be done before the election but straight after the election the whole planning system has to be upended. We can't get anything done.

There should be an arbitrary cut off point where any project with a budget over €100mn (or €200mn, or some other very large figure) the approval request goes to and comes straight from a cabinet minister in charge of national level infrastructure/development projects.

Having to waste years going through county councils and ABP where some local NIMBY crank or overly fastidious junior bureaucrat can delay or cancel a project that would benefit the entire country is an absolutely bonkers system that everyone can see just isn't working.

Most obviously/relevantly here in the problems with DUB's completely ridiculous capacity limits and delays to efforts to improve infrastructure.