BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

I imagine the 83 change is to cover off the loss of service through the estates when the 17 & 18 were removed?

Yes that's it

I wonder will we notice an improvement when the city centre traffic measures come into effect.

I was reading a post on Reddit recently which was about a bus user in Rathfarnham making enquiries about the rollout date for the A-Spine by the NTA.

The poster was making enquiries about when the L35 & A2 were going to be implemented when they go out from their terminus in Dundrum Luas Bridge/Dundrum Luas Station. The poster said it made contact with Go-Ahead to ask them about when the A-Spine was going to be implemented in the Dundrum & Rathfarnham area. One of Go-Ahead's drivers had said to the Reddit poster by word of mouth that they had too many drivers in their company at the moment.

Once the driver from Go-Ahead said to the Reddit poster that they had too many drivers in the company at this time; I had assumed that Go-Ahead would use their newer drivers for the local routes that will be rolled out under the E-Spine and for the N2 only. They might not have had the adequate resources in their company to actually do more than what is required at the moment according to the current arrangements being made with the NTA.

However when I read the Echo article this evening about Paul Murphy pleading to the NTA about making changes to the 65 in Blessington. Does this development about the potential changes for the 65 place Go-Ahead into the mix about them taking on a route that resembles the L44 which would go between Blessington/Ballymore Eustace & Tallaght in the next few weeks. As the 65 would be changed under the A-Spine; would it make more sense for me to say that Go-Ahead will take on a route like the L44 in future. Or will these rumours about upcoming changes being made to the routes under the C-Spine, 65, 83 & 150 just involve Dublin Bus routes only?

Would there be any potential changes in place for the L51 & L52 which are run by Go-Ahead under the C-Spine?

Don't really see the issue with standing on a bus generally. The likes of the AV and AX were very poor for standing pax due to narrow gangways and a lack of standing space but the SG/PA are much better for standing than their predecessors.

Been on buses with lots of standees on the continent and always thought those were better for standing on plenty of handrails and straps to hold on to.

Always thought the buses in the airport for the carparks worked really well for carrying standing passengers and thought it was a bit of pity that we couldn't use those kind of buses on urban services.

Doesnt the 11 replacing the 46a means the E spines have to launch first before the O

Will the QBCs be built for these single deckers to deliver on the frequency that is proposed?
If not then the frequency is a fairytale tbh.

No I mean the o route.
If there are no QBCs/bus priority infrastructure planned for the o route, then 5min frequency is a fairytale.

Cant think of one QBC on N4? It crawls along Collins Avenue, Howth rd and east wall... n

yes as LX says the Lucan road QBC.

The prolonged roll out is stalling the college green plaza project, which has architects appointed already. I wonder can we just divert existing bus routes and build the plaza anyway. Otherwise we'll be waiting till 2030 at this rate

The UK variants have a difference to our EA buses.

^^ TFI and the NTA are one and the same thing…

Also, that's misinformation and speculation. In the 31 March 2023 TfL bus audit, only four buses were made in 2007 (so 16 years old) and 72 buses were from 2008 (15 years old). In a fleet of 8643 buses that doesn't even make 1%. The average fleet age in London was 7.82 years in that audit, which admittedly is the highest in the previous 10 years, but that can be attributed to the rather limited purchases during the pandemic years (316 buses in 2020, 335 in 2021, and 201 buses in 2022), as also shown by 5907 buses being under 10 being the lowest number in that same 2013–2023 period (and that's still 68% of the fleet).

The NTA limits PSO bus age to 14 and school bus age to 20 for a reason, not the least of which were accidents with buses well over 20 on school services. I believe the age limit actually may predate the NTA and may have been Department-imposed years earlier, so there goes your argument out the window, nothing new here.

FYI signs have been appearing along the B spine corridor to give notice about the acquisition of land and the extinguishment of ROWs

I sincerely hope that anyone has annny idea on when the N2 bus will be going live? I've read beginning of summer, then beginning of September, now November.

I understand there is a lack of drivers, but seriously .. come on not a single accurate communication by anyone regarding when a bus line will be available?

pff.. sorry for the rant, but yeah .. well