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Sports Extra (TNT/Premier)

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  • #5952
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    One of the reasons the “share the rights” version seems plausible. Premier are already covering 8 games a weekend for the URC, but moving up to the 12 the Champions Cup would require (plus at least some coverage of the European Challenge Cup) seems to be too far.

    For me, my worry would be that Premier simply couldn’t do this tournament the justice that we’ve come to expect over the last two decades or so. They simply don’t have the resources that Sky or TNT would have. I would expect a lot of games, certainly those hosted by French, South African, or Italian clubs, to move to whistle to whistle coverage.



  • #5953
    Digifriendly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    Apologies for my ignorance but what does 'whistle to whistle coverage' mean?



  • #5954
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Means no pre game build up or post game analysis, half time coverage, if there is any (and there often isn’t on Premier, who prefer to show any one of their myriad of prerecorded clips of goals/tries from the previous week) will just be the commentators talking over some replays. So coverage starts with the kick off whistle (in reality it’ll be a few minutes before to show the team sheets) and ends moments after the final whistle. Hence “ whistle to whistle”.



  • #5955
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    it does seem like TNT is choosing to be more frugal with their money. I don't see Premier Sports getting significant subscribers just from this deal to break even?? Is there that hard core of Rugby supporters that would pay the average price of £15pm to pay for the 6-8million per year its gonna cost PS?



  • #5956
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    You have to kinda break the market down.

    In ROI there’s not much difference between it being on TNT or Premier, from a subscriber point of view it’s the one pack, at least for twelve months more. Really this shouldn’t drive any change in subscription format in this market.

    For the UK, I think you need to break it into Scotland/Wales/NI, where the URC’s already on Premier, and so there would be a subscription driver for rugby fans there already, particularly in Scotland where Premier have more or less exclusive rights to Glasgow and Edinburgh games. England is an entirely different kettle of fish, the URC is not a subscription driver there, and so that will be where the main bone of contention over Premier getting the rights may lie. As I recall the 2014-18 split gave BT (as was) first pick over PRL teams home games, and maybe if it really is a split deal there’ll be something similar this time around.



  • #5957
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    While we wait to hear about the EPCR rights, two rights losses and a renewal for TNT. TNT has lost the rights to the fifth division of English football, the National League (probably more well known by its old moniker of the Conference) which is going to Dazn. They will also be losing the rights to the NBA after next season, which goes back to Sky, along with Amazon and ESPN who will also have rights.

    On the positive side they’ve renewed Serie A rights.



  • #5958
    Abram Aggressive Table
    Posts: 0 ✭✭ Abram Aggressive Table


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122387714#Comment_122387714

    The FA Community Shield isn't in the listings for Saturday 10th August. PS1 is showing the friendly between Bayer Leverkusen and Real Betis. This is on both the RoI & GB website. PS2 is showing Irish Open tennis according to the GB listings. No PS2 listings on the RoI site for whatever reason.



  • #5959
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    If you scroll through the tiles at the top of the page you will see it listed there, Sat 10th August 3pm on Premier 1. I know that contradicts the listings but there’s not a snowballs chance Premier prioritise Leverkeusen v Betis over a Manchester derby when they’ve the rights to both.



  • #5960
    Abram Aggressive Table
    Posts: 0 ✭✭ Abram Aggressive Table


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122442926#Comment_122442926

    Specsavers awaits for me……

    You'd think though they'd get something like this right in all fairness.



  • #5961
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    They have changed the listings now. Well, kind of. They have the Community Shield listed but obviously they know something we don’t about the kick off time because coverage is listed as 3:15-6:30pm.

    The match kicks off at 3pm.



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  • #5962
    Abram Aggressive Table
    Posts: 0 ✭✭ Abram Aggressive Table


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122446505#Comment_122446505

    Changed again. Programme now starting at 2.30pm and runs to 5.45.



  • #5963
    TonyK45
    Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭TonyK45


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449698#Comment_122449698

    Premier's scheduling department is poor, but TNT are now becoming as bad. As ICDG mentioned in an earlier post, they have bought the rights to Serie A (for the next three seasons). But up to today, only one game is shown on the listings - on the opening week-end (out of a full 10 fixtures). And Premier, are members of this club also - they haven't listed the two Scottish League Cup games they are showing on 16th/17th August.

    Here - I'm talking about the official listings upload site where all the media, and the TV EPGs obtain the schedules. The minimum window they have for print media is eight days (because they have to go to press) - both Premier and TNT are realy cutting it fine. Online versions can show 13 days (although Radio Times restricts it to 9 days, and Sky's online EPG is just 7 days)



  • #5964
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    @TonyK45 I take you are referring to a site that is for press use only and most of us wouldn’t have access to? I’m not sure that it’s fair to refer to such a site on a public forum?

    Incidentally, Premier still don’t have Premier 2 listings back on their website, I know they can be obtained elsewhere (Sky guide online or entertainment.ie).



  • #5965
    TonyK45
    Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭TonyK45


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122478380#Comment_122478380

    It is that site - but I don't have access to it anymore - (it used to be free, but now there's an annual charge). But there are numerous, free-to-use commercial on-line listing sites that publish its content. (link below)*. So it is available to the public at large.

    *Link here (this is for Sky RoI) - but you can configure whatever your preference - I actually reference both the UK and RoI versions.

    https://www.tvguide.co.uk/sky/republic-of-ireland

    Yes - noted that Premier sports 2 is not on it's RoI site. Incidentally they have made a great improvements to guide the Premier Sport UK website (it used to just list what was on without identifying which channel) - having said that - it's still not correct!



  • #5966
    kooga
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭kooga


    premier sports community shield coverage is the itv feed



  • #5967
    TonyK45
    Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭TonyK45


    So past the 11 am deadline on Monday for the Sky EPG to be updated for the week-end, (yes I know TG4 wait until Wednesday), but everyone else follows the rules. And no sign of Serie A games appearing on TNT sports (apart from the one I mentioned earlier). So this makes me think - the bulk are going to Discover+

    So TNT viewers; have now lost Ligue 1, the UK National (Conference) League and now Serie A to streaming alternatives.

    Ligue 1 and National to DAZN and Serie A to Discovery+



  • #5968
    fman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭fman


    I'm not saying you're wrong and drifting towards tnt on discovery would be a particular kick in the teeth for Irish subscribers, but BT/tnt have form for late changes. I seem to remember their last French football renewal saw listings updated as late as the day before airing.



  • #5969
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Yeah it’s really odd Genoa v Inter is the one game in the schedule, their new deal gives them the rights to five games per week, they are not committed to showing every game this time round. Discovery+ should not be an option unless the games are made available to ROI subscribers who have Eurosport as part of their plans - even then it’s unfair as Eurosport really has a completely different audience to TNT, and many sports fans won’t have both.



  • #5970
    lertsnim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,814 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    Games could appear on TNT Sports 5-10 which are available via the interactive button. This would be a balls as there's no schedule for them and are not available to Now subscribers or Virgin Media.



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  • #5971
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    There’s a giant TBA shaped hole on Sunday night on TNT 2 which may be Cagliari v Roma.

    What seems certain however is that TNT do appear to have lost the rights to French Ligue 1. I hadn’t heard anything about the UK/Ireland rights going to Dazn though, they have done a deal at a very late hour for the domestic rights and maybe it’s the case they needed to be gotten out of the way but scouring both the press release and the Dazn app there’s no sign of UK/ROI rights being included in that.



  • #5972
    batistuta9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,277 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    it's Cagliari-Roma according to the sky+ app



  • #5973
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    That’s now confirmed. I’m led to believe there’s only two games next weekend too, so that may be the extent of coverage from now on. Really appears since TNT took over from BT they’ve had a lot more rights losses than pick ups, even excluding the ESPN loss which was a huge cut in content.



  • #5974
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Premier to launch a Rugby only station.

    https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2024/08/14/premier-sports-to-broadcast-champions-cup-games-in-ireland/



  • #5975
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    The official press release

    https://www.epcrugby.com/champions-cup/content/epcr-and-premier-sports-announce-headline-broadcast-partnership

    Hopefully the third channel will alleviate some of the difficulties they’ve had with bringing comprehensive rugby coverage. I don’t need to say it again - their treatment of the Top 14 in particular has been awful - that probably reached its zenith when they almost didn’t show the 2023 final live and only relented at the last minute. They have been better with the URC, but are rarely able to fulfill their commitment to show all eight games each week live in Ireland.

    With the EPCR - the interesting points. TNT are out completely, Premier will have pay tv rights to the whole competition, they’ll (apparently) show every game in the Champions Cup and two each week in the Challenge Cup, fixtures for English clubs will try to avoid clashes with the FAPL (er, good luck with that!). There’s no news of FTA deals, though we know S4C and think RTE have done deals, no news of anything for England though.



  • #5976
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    also, apparently they’ve renewed their rights to said Top 14 - which hopefully they’ll treat better on their new dedicated rugby channel whenever it appears.



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  • #5977
    TonyK45
    Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭TonyK45


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497710#Comment_122497710

    Yes, that seems to be the new patern, two games per week instead of the previouse 5-8 games.

    This week-end

    Genoa v Inter
    Cagliari v Roma

    Following week-end
    Napoli v Bologna
    Verona v Juventus

    Regarding lertsnim comment on TNT (Red Button) TNT 5-10, there appear to be no plans to show any on this service.

    Listing for these channels can be found in the online version of Radio Times (but you have to configure what channels you want displayed). Currently there is Cricket listed for Sunday evening, but nothing for other days.



  • #5978
    lertsnim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,814 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    I think a Premier Sports 3 would be better for them to help with scheduling across all sports.



  • #5979
    Acosta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,465 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Very odd that TNT appear to have significantly reduced their Serie A coverage, when they've also lost Ligue 1. That's a lot less football they'll be showing this season, if that's the case.



  • #5980
    kooga
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭kooga


    my ps is a Viaplay legacy sub - so no super cup on ps 1 in NI - go into other channels and Ps1 is showing the uefa super cup. So fingers x I have CL for the season ! Half time no analysis though

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  • #5981
    Stewball
    Registered Users Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Stewball


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122503769#Comment_122503769

    I know Sky control the price in Ireland, but last year it was €25pm for 6 months. Sky seem to be offering the same package for €27 this season. Yes, only €2 extra, but for less live soccer available.

    They have the nerve to complain about people using "dodgy boxes".

    If they gave us proper service with access to most/all games, people might be more likely to subscribe.



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  • #5982
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Sky may control the price in Ireland (subject to whatever payment they’ve agreed to TNT and Premier respectively). In neither case do they control the content. At least Premier have been off buying rights, even if the issue there is space at weekends. TNT have dropped more than they’ve picked up, in fact I’m struggling to think of any new pick ups under WBD’s management (NBA, which they subsequently lost, is the only one that comes to mind).



  • #5983
    fman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭fman


    They clung on to premier league and uefa rights (mostly) which seems to be their all in one basket strategy. Premier have actually made themselves more valuable which is important if tnt were to take steps to go out on their own when that deal expires.

    To add to holes in TNTs schedule wwe leaves at the end of the year.



  • #5984
    Dodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,312 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    British football fans, the primary market for TNT, simply don’t watch football from outside their leagues. Since leaving channel 4 in the mid 90s, Serie A has bounced around several channels. It was on bravo at one stage.

    Sky got great mileage out of La Liga for a while but it was still only the top 2 mega clubs that had any viewers

    Bundesliga is below them. Ligue 1 is further down the list.

    I’ll watch them, but it’s pretty clear that most won’t and that leagues around Europe overestimated their worth.



  • #5985
    fman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭fman


    Pretty accurate, nice to have but rarely a deal-breaker for subscribers. Their value is nowhere near the value the European leagues see in themselves (especially Spain).

    There probably was a window where a niche broadcaster could have bundled the European leagues in one package. Something like when eleven sports launched but done much much better. Whether a niche broadcaster and the asking prices of the leagues could have worked is another issue.



  • #5986
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Everything, that has happened to Laliga in terms of their position in the UK market, can be traced to the decision to dump Sky and go to Eleven Sports.

    I’ve said it before but having the lead out position after Super Sunday was worth its weight in gold in terms of the exposure they got in pubs and on TVs up and down the land and they threw it away to go with an unproven streaming service that barely lasted six months.



  • #5987
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,769 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122506371#Comment_122506371

    I'd like to see a return of the freesports model for those leagues. Show all the european soccer leagues but 100% advertising funded without subscription. Since most people are going to watch on dodgy streaming services anyway they might as well cut their losses



  • #5988
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    A number of football journalists posting on Twitter/X - including James Horncastle who appears regularly on the Champions League Goals Show on TNT - have posted that the TNT Serie A deal is indeed for two games per week. The rights to the other games could apparently still be sold but looks unlikely at this point.



  • #5989
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    TNT have confirmed the two per week Serie A games (plus highlights) in a press release today.

    https://www.tntsports.co.uk/all-sports/tnt-sports-to-deliver-a-season-of-unmissable-live-sport_sto20029557/story.shtml

    Seems OneFootball have acquired the rights to the other Serie A games but you may have to buy something called a “Serie A Pass” at a later date.



  • #5990
    Acosta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,465 ✭✭✭Acosta


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122510871#Comment_122510871

    I couldn't see any information on the Onefootball site beyond this weekend. Unless I missed it? All games, except two, are FTA on their site this weekend. The other two are a fiver each. This is a right balls having to fork out for yet another broadcaster. If I was paying for TNT by itself, and there was no Sky Sports extra pack, I'd be getting rid of it.



  • #5991
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    The two that are not free (perhaps coincidentally, but probably not) are the ones on TNT. The rest are free - for now. But they haven’t labelled them “Serie A Pass” for the fun of it.



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  • #5992
    Delta2113
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭Delta2113


    First time hearing about OneFootball. Just added app to my LG TV so might check out some free coverage this weekend. Seems better organised than LiveScore.



  • #5993
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,659 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    This Sky Sports + is abomination, why couldn't they just use the red button



  • #5994
    sniper_samurai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,719 ✭✭✭sniper_samurai


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122513724#Comment_122513724

    Probably has something to do with all the + content being internet streams only instead of being broadcast on the satellite service.



  • #5995
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    We have a thread for Sky Sports+, which is a completely different thing to Sports Extra.



  • #5996
    TonyK45
    Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭TonyK45


    WBD are so pre-occupied with promoting Discovery+, they no longer seem interested in updating their listing.

    This was published on their website late last Thursday - but to date, the listing are not showing it.

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  • #5997
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    They hardly forgot they don’t automatically get the rights because the UEFA Europa and Conference League play off rounds aren’t part of the central media rights deal? They wouldn’t make a gaff like that….would they?



  • #5998
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,659 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    What has happened to Serie A coverage on TNT?

    No match on today where as im pretty sure they'd be showing it last season no problem



  • #5999
    lertsnim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,814 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    They have 2 games per week. The One Football streaming service has the rest and are free currently.



  • #6000
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122518827#Comment_122518827

    Interestingly that story has been updated to remove any mention of TNT showing the game. Hmm….

    https://www.tntsports.co.uk/football/uefa-europa-conference-league/2024-2025/chelsea-conference-league-play-off-servette_sto20029472/story.shtml



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  • #6001
    Acosta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,465 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Still no mention of live Serie A games on One Football this weekend. I can only see the two TNT games on the listings.



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