Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

The reason why everything is more expensive In Dublin is time as well as development cost.

First on labour. How much extra would you need to be paid for a job in if you operated out of Portlaois compared to doing the sane job in Dublin? 50%.

Young lad is build a self build at present about 20 miles from Limerick city. All his trades are coming from tge side further away from Limerick city. These lads are coming from up to an hour away. They are pricing the jobs 10-30% cheaper than trades around him as they do not want to travel another hours for work.

Deliver costs for materials in Dublin are crazy. A concrete truck with conveyer did 4 loads in about 7 hours one day and tgat is including his lunch break. His return time was about 40 minutes. He be lucky to do 2-3 in Dublin in an 8 hour day.

If I am up at 5.30 am in the morning and not home untafter 7pm and if when I go to the shop for chicken roll it's 20-50 more expensive than Letrim I want to earn 50% more to do it

Site works I presume is the site work. Carried out by the builder even though it says within the site is it actually within the site. Not far from me is a village and another area not a village where there is a school, church, pub and speed limit. A builder got planning subject to him installing a sewer that was not just within his site but also to the public sewers about 3 km away in the next village. That would be an extreme example and the site was never developed.

All Dublin site works would have access to a sewer. A substantial number of developments would have house numbers in the very high hundreds. So you have some economies of scale, as well site development works for apartments are much more compact than houses which there is a substantial number in Dublin compared to elsewhere around the country

The Cork price is not just for Cork city it's also for the smalls towns and villages and for developments of single one off dwellings and small developments of anything from 2-4 houses to 10-20.

Cost for the treatment unit for my sons house will be 5k+, planing, plans and detailed house plans cost 5k the fencing, clearing and roadway will cost another 5k, electricity and water 3-4k, putting in sewers etc another couple k abd he is doing a lot of the work himself

Leitrim is probably mainly one off housing so that would account for the difference work cost, people doing one off houses tend to finish to a higher standard.

In Louth I suspect that developers may be finishingbto a higher standard, a slightly larger house than in Dublin to attract buyers from Dublin. It labour costs are probably similar to Dublin due to public transport options

I can confirm some of this as I have a lot of family in the civil service. Women generally did leave after marriage up until the 80s or so. It may seems very strange to a modern eye, but to someone of the past, having both parents working whilst the children are in day care would probably seem equally strange.

There us no such thing as an exact same houses. Actually I had not completely read your orginal post, I actually taught it was actual data from actual house prices. However it hypothetical prices of hypothetical houses.

I presume these are Chartered Quantity Surveyors. Take the Northwest region how many 3 bed semi's are actually build there over the last 5 years I doubt if there was any substantial housing developments in the region. So the prices for there are a probably a guesstimate of the actual cost.

There Is a certain amount of development outside major cities like Limerick Cork and Galway. Did the CQS just look up there own cost figures and take averages. For instance in area like the NW the CQS may never be asked to cost a significant amount of site work, the developer may do that directly himself.

In Louth I woukd definitely say the level and quality of finish is to attract buyers from Dublin.

And after all that it goes back to what an Irish teacher once said about grammer rules

"the exception proves the rule"

because if you have different prices in different regions is often due to regional discrepancies.

After all my contributions maybe you can give your opinion as to why there are differences because I woukd like to hear your conspiracy theory

As I have said before developers margin can be easily adjusted up or down by the price the developer pays his investment company that owns the land.

As for costs some materials etc will be cheaper in Dublin if large scale developments and can benefit from economies of scale.

Labour generally will be more expensive due to higher rents or travel costs etc. and a builder that had local work will settle for a lower price (if they have to) rather than spend 3 or 4 hours travelling everyday and paying for fuel etc.

security costs whether it’s insurance/stolen materials or cctv linked to Garda stations in Dublin and security guards present or just paying some gangsters protection money.

Cost of specialists equipment, traffic management systems, cranes, etc and health and safety where site access is tight and involves public roads and footpaths and needs staff directing traffic or working unusual hours.

I’m sure there are other costs where prices will differ but generally these will be on the finished spec of property and ensuring it fits in with existing developments etc.

Like an apprentice TD program over the last couple of pages with the dodging of the actual questions asked

Well done @hometruths great observations

variance has to be down to mainly labour costs and land and house specs. As local markets will have different standards used.

Guttering should be same cost as long as work not required on drains and using like for like. Realistically the only difference should be that you may require more fixings on account of weather etc….. but suspect the example your using is using different materials e.g. more solid anti rust metal v cheap plastic guttering which would account for a price differential and one may be preferred/standard in a local market over another.

Loos as a product yet again should be the same if no work on drains required. But if work is required it will differ depending on the soil, access and etc and whether additional considerations are needed due to a flooding or old drainage etc….

The massaging of figures is mainly done on the profit on the land

1973 (I think) but continued into 80’s in practice just like the way equal pay for women didn’t happen the second the law was passed.

are they identical specs and products used? Probably not that’s a small cost….main costs differences will be labour and land