Getting out of electric

One thing I'll say about family affordability....the ford focus used to be the most popular family car bought in Ireland, now it's the Hyundai Tucson which is much more expensive.

Golfs became Tiguans.

Affordable family hatchbacks became affordable family SUVs and the price jumped a lot. In both the new and used markets.

There's plenty of affordability out there

I think for most people working anything from 15 to 20k is affordable, depending on housing costs and childcare

If our best selling car is the Hyundai Tucson and that starts at €39k and goes up to €52.5k… Has that become our new "affordable" bracket because there is plenty of EVs in that price bracket and many many priced lower

so, this is actually a really intresting question. people seem to prefer a lower initial investment, for higher running costs as tehy "feel" its better value. its how everythings becoming a subscription.

jack buys a car for 10k, and costs him 200 a month +fuel (200 a month), jack sees that as 200 and dosent see the fuel cost.

mark buys an ev for 15k, costs him 250 a month +fuel, mark researched and found out that fuel cost him 200 a month in an ice, and 50 a month in electricty. meaning a better and more affordable car long term then the ice.

You do realise that a lot of people don’t have the finances to just jump into a brand new ID4 right? Regardless of how much it may save them per month. Or some people may choose to buy a used car outright instead of being stuck in the cycle of constantly financing a depreciating asset..

do you get how the market works?
so, new cars will be brought in for the first "early adoptors", tehy move on to the next v2 of the car, v3 ect (usually theses people are in high paying jobs, or status jobs)

those cars go to the 2nd hand market alowing others to own at a lower cost, ect ect ect ect ect.

its no diffrent form an ev to an ice, people are just complaning atm as ev are depericiating correctly as the market shows, and ice cars arent, still due to "covid" ( hint, its not)

the people that spen 10k on a car ten years ago, and swap every 2 - 3 years will still do that, and there starting to get really good deals on evs.

as soon as the glut of taxi ev start hitting the market in teh next 18 months, when they all start coming to the end of the cycles the more bargin evs hit the market, same thing happend in norway.

but your not financing a depreciation asset.
If you go for PCP, the only money you need is the deposit. Which is the Same as or less than your going to buy your used car for.

My example is 8k deposit, and 250 a month.
I was paying 250 alone in petrol+ then I had ongoing maintenance, 500 extra in road tax, €55 NCT etc

so you see it’s cheaper for me to drive a new car than a 2007 POS Touran

If I hand it back the only cost over driving a piece of sh1t ICE was 8K and no worries about depreciation, but even then that 8k can be reduced when you consider the savings on road tax, maintenance, cost of buying a used car etc

spent very little on servicing over 84000 km on an ID.3. Running costs were tiny compared to the 06 diesel it replaced. Outside of depreciation of course which was 6000 a year. Saved 2500-3000 a year on fuel though.

Have my E tron just over a year now and charge both at work&home, I do about 150km commute to work each week. Another lad in work does about 1000km a week in an ID4 reckons diesel saving of around 8k pa. I've heard that another lad who has the BZ4X is going back to a diesel not sure on the exact time frame.

Another lad has i Think one of the KIA models and he said that he will not be going back to ICE.

Myself the E tron fits what i do perfectly the only thing that has me worried about the car is the dreaded coolant leak that kills the motors, As its an expensive fix had the car serviced by Audi and they said the coolant leaking issue is from cars not getting serviced so fingers crossed.

I asked when dropping the car into Audi and the girl at the service desk went off and asked the Audi Tech, He said it happens if the car is not serviced. Funnily enough AUDI USA have giving E tron owners a 10 year warranty on motors. Nothing yet from Audi Europe.

Did they explain what is involved in a service to prevent such a leak occurring or was it just a method of fobbing you off ? Is this issue widespread as in e-Tron GT’s and Taycans also ?

This lad getting out of EV also.

Tesla model S

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/37709542

indeed. Inverter issues and inverter cooling pump issues seem to be more of an issue that the battery itself as (hybrid) car ages

I presume EVs have some cooling circuit for invertors also ?

Some details here on a Teslabjorn video, eTron motor failure due to coolant leaking is at 16:30. Hard to consider that servicing regularly would help prevent this ? Might be worth seeking out a warranty that would cover this if you can get one.

https://youtu.be/cxRaOBJOl78?si=8ppeu9mCS9MkYkD5